An NSR Absolute Block instrument

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  1. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    I must confess that I bought a 5 Litre bottle of WD as being far cheaper than messing about with spray cans.

    But if you bought proper cleaner, put your parts in white (or other vinegar) for 24 hours to soften the crud then rinse them and pop them in the US cleaner. You may need to wipe them after one go through the US cleaner with something mildly abrasive (as I said I use scotch bright) then give them a second go through the US cleaner.

    I have got some really cruddy tools looking like new using this method.
     
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    5ltr can
     
  3. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Finally we got around to some wood cutting!!!
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    thought rather than photos we could have a video.

    John helped with the cutting, it’s his tools. First is cutting an inch off the backs of the two side panels to bring it almost flush at the rear.

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    Then we measured up and took 71mm off the top. This then brings them to the correct height to make the tapered tongue and grove fit in the top panel.

    before we attempted the cuts (which are still to do) I flipped the off cuts and drew out the cut on these and did a trial tun.
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    Drawn out

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    and cut.. (yes that is a Triumph TR7 behind)

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    trial fit. It’s deliberately over size for further trimming if needed.
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    and finally from the side.

    I’ll get some better shots of the reworked parts soon.

    Andy
     
  4. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Great work Mr S... its all coming together very nicely now.:cheers::thumbup::tophat::tophat::tophat:
     

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  5. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Part of the joy of using an original box and cutting down is despite it being taller and deeper, much was still to the same specs as my smaller NSR block. There must have been some standard fitment as I guess.
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    the side walls have a small rebate in them for a snug fit up to the back panel. As can be seen here. Although we have taken an inch off the back, the overlap here is still the same so no adjustment was needed.

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    You can see the step in the panel here.

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    and again proving a point, the hooks are original on my base, yet still match the screws to secure on the inside of the CR box panels.
    Moving on whilst I can’t cut wood, I began a little more cleaning on the instrument. I had had a few looks but couldn’t at first see how the needles came off. Once the two securing brackets with a small bearing in had been removed, the needle and the circular fitment to the rear (it’s like an armature with no windings in shape) were still stuck through the large front plate. I’d asked Peter about it, but he wasn’t sure. I thought on a previous inspection it appeared the needes were held on by a circlip, but looking today it’s actually a very small bolt and washer in one. A gentle twist with some small needle nosed pliers and it spun away and the pointer dropped off allowing it all to come away.
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    I also removed the solenoid for the latching of the pointer to TRAIN ON LINE. Otherwise the current state of the needle would swing it to LINE BLOCKED.

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    These items are now being gently cleaned before refitting.

    however before they both go back on, I will do a scan of the front so we can try and create details for transfers to replace the damaged markings.. hopefully this may help mossy??
     
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  6. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    The second needle pointer has been removed and a clean up commenced. I tried Rob’s suggestion of White Vinegar.. think I may need to buy some more. Had better results with this suggestion, although it’s slightly more messy.
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    I’ve also took a flat bed scan of the front but the file at 400dpi is too big to add on here sadly.
    It has been pointed out though that the font for the text for the up and down lines is different to other models. It appears I have a slightly more modern text on mine. f735169a-e07f-4872-9f64-c6e5309ad06a.jpeg
    So it’s a case now of not only creating artwork for the 3 panels to have the recreated but also the lettering for the up and down. (That said, plan was to paint strip it all anyway and start afresh- although myself, only the W in DOWN looks narrower. The rest looks the same to me but just in a slightly closer location to the needle centres.)
     
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    Today we have cut the top tapers to fit into the top… it’s all starting to come together.

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    These were test fit photos.. there was a little more taken off one of the front uprights so it matched the side.

    sadly I must have made an error when cutting one of the sides as it’s very loose. Never mind, the front panel when secured will make it square and strong as will the screw down from the top panel..

    we have noted that the bottom front panel is too shallow for the NSR block. In the next photo I have reduced the length of the original CR part to fit the new width. Just to keep it square for now. The top edge should meet the bottom of the arch sections but clearly is short.
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    It needs around 5mm. The top also needs making to match. And then refit the trim which has been removed. One part to repair as it had a split in it, so it’s being glued and clamped as we speak (this was the one where the tack had gone the wrong side of the wood). The other is the front trim, which oddly was already in two parts, so it’s just a cut to make here again to trim it down to size to fit.

    more progress soon.

    andy
     
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    Gormo.
    I went and bought some shellac from the shop
    - tried it on one of the old pieces which had been cleaned back. Gave it 6 coats and it looked about right. May need more.. but couldn’t decide it best wiped on with a cotton cloth or brushed?
    What’s your thoughts ??

    andy
     
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    Wipe it on using a lint free rag layer on only thinly and then polish... the trick is to build up layers gradually.
     
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    Polish between layers? Or polish at the end?
     
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    polish between layers
     
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    What with?
    Wax? Furniture polish?? What do you suggest please?
     
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    if you've varnished it Andy, a good car wax polish perhaps

    Ken
     
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    as the last polish:hammer:
     
  15. Andy_Sollis

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    It’s not even been stripped yet (only the top panel.) Plan is to shellac it, giving it a few coats to gain the dark original colour.

    I’ve been trying to get the panels right to fit first, then clean them up and reassemble.
     
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    Hi Andy,

    I stand to be corrected but I don't think that you need to use any specific compound to polish it with in between coats, just use a lint free cloth and give it lots of elbow grease.
     
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    Andy allow me to explain the process of Shellac and what it is because knowing that will help you to apply the layers and avoid disapointment. Shellac is in essence a NATURAL thermoplastic formed from the secretions of the Asian beetle Laccifer Lacca, it can be purchased in a raw form of flakes or pre mixed by manufactures such as Rustins or Zinsser, the pre mixed solution is called two cut as the raw flakes have been mixed in a weight to volume ratio with natural alcohol. There are also weaker pre mixes available called three or four cut Shellac, these are thinner mixtures and when applied form a less "lumpy" in texture coating. Shellac before full curing is responsive to moisture and heat and has a flexible "plastic" quality but once cured at room temperature becomes quite solid.

    Ok so we now know what Shellac is so on with the process of application.

    Firstly the wood surface must be clean and free from dust, so newly prepared wood surfaces must be cleaned down using a tacky rag, these can be purchased from Trade Decorators Centres. It is best to apply the prepared shellac in thin layers using a lint free cotton rag on the main flat surfaces and a thin brush on the tight edges, leave the shellac coating to air harden for a short while and then sand back any lumpy areas with a very fine grade flatting paper and then polish with the lint free rag in a circular buffing motion.

    If you feel the shellac you are applying by brush has a thick consistency this can be overcome by diluting the mixture with slight amounts of natural alcohol, the mix is based on whatever you feel works best, remember the weaker the mix the thinner the coating becomes and the less likelyhood of a sticky surface being created which will take an age to dry.

    Repeat this layering process until a smooth flat coating is achieved, you may well require several layers and lots of patience.

    Finally there is absolutely no need or requirement to strip back and remove any existing shellac layers... you are only making unneccessary work for yourself, existing dirty shellac can be cleaned back with a dampened cloth. Scratch damage shellac ca be repaired by local polishing with new shellac mix and buffing so the surface coatings merge.

    You must NOT use wax, furniture buffing wax, artificial spray polish or any other form of silicone based product in the shellac application unless you want the whole process to end badly. There are no short cuts in this job.

    Good luck and hope this helps.

    cheers Yorkie
     
  18. Andy_Sollis

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    All noted and taken on board..
    No wax and no aerosol polishes will be used.
    However, some bits need to be taken back as the CR box sections don’t match (looks like they have been wood painted at some stage)

    there is also colour variation in the bottom original parts through wear and tare. (It’s amazing the colour difference between inside and outside too, so it’s suggests it’s been used in a box that had good sunlight!
     
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    I use them myself, very effective but they do wear out quickly.

    Pete.
     
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    As some people may know I volunteered to try to draw up a replacement for the lettering on the unit with the view to creating replacement transfers for the completed block instrument. Since the start of the project I have been banging my head against various brick walls trying to find a way of recreating it. Finally last night I came up with a completely left field possibility, use Fusion 360, yep a bizarre solution. So this morning with a full sized scan of the front plate, I drew the basic structure using it as a template which ended up looking like this:

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    With a bit of jiggery pokery, I managed to create 4 basic models, one for each of the colours, black, red, green and white and created Jpeg's of them.
    The next fight was to try colour in what was essentially a b/w photo, not a successful enterprise, so back to Fusion and start learning about Rendering, never used before, as always help was a hinderance so I winged it and followed my nose and after a few false starts I managed to get all 4 coloured and exported as jpegs. Overlaid on top of each other it looks like this:

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    Next task is to create a print pdf for the printers, but looking at the results in Fusion, this looks very close to Andy's scans. OK the font might need cleaning up, I used the default Arial while Andy tries to find the correct one and the font sizes many need changing but after weeks of despair I'm feeling a little smug a solution via the back door. Round 2 will start in the morning.
     
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