6 x 4 Spiral

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  1. class48nswfan

    class48nswfan Full Member

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    The title of this thread is a bit misleading. I have been given permission by Mrs C48NSW to build a 6 x 4 so this finding an interesting solution has been exorcising me. Wallace Creek (my other layout) is subject to cold weather (or rather I am) so a small winter layout that can be hidden behind a wardrobe is required.

    So this is 6 x 4 but would require two additional single track fiddle yard extensions at A and B (if you want a longer train that 30 inches). The line to A rises and crosses the line to B on a bridge.

    A passenger service can operate from either end to the station where it terminates (or can work through). A small siding sees limited van traffic whilst the quarry (or cement works) sees daily trains.
    There is then a regular flow of freight services travelling A to B.
    The hidden track (B) is hidden behind the quarry cliff face.
    The Wallace Creek rolling stock would be used o this but it might just be an excuse to buy a railcar for passenger operations.

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  2. Dr Tony

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    Hi, Just some first thoughts (am travelling at the moment and replying from an area with few trains -Tasmania!)
    If using your Aussie stock then,a Eureka 620/720 railcar may have issues with the curve radius on a 6x4, not enough turn in the bogies, other ones might be more suitable here. Not sure on any other suggestions though.
    The Lima locos will be fine, as well as your Powerline 48s. Forget about the NR or N class.
    I would keep the freight wagons to under 40' ones.
    Passenger carriages tend to be a problem as they can get quite long, modern ones with body mount couplers can give headaches here.
    I'm sure someone will suggest a shelf layout here.
    Cheers
    Tony
     
  3. class48nswfan

    class48nswfan Full Member

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    Love Tassie! Did the Strahan Railway whilst I was there and saw a couple of freights - mind you that was 8 or 9 years ago!Thanks for the heads up on the curves.
    Dave
     
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    Toto Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Looks like a good plan. Plenty to keep things moving. :thumbs:
     
  5. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Hi Dave nice plan for a 6x4
    Like the idea of point to point and the Quary give you a industry to move Freight from.
    Enjoy the build will watch with interest.
    If your thinking of a rail motor have a look at the NSWGR CPH rail motor they are a little out of era for Wallace Creek but you could run as a tour train from the Rail motor Society or the Lachlan Valley Railway.
    There are several options a couple of kit types, a brass RTR model and the plastic RTR.
     
  6. class48nswfan

    class48nswfan Full Member

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    Well I've started but having set the baseboard (which is one of Mrs Wells art canvasses which has a small hole in it thus scuppering her painting) up on the just under 6 X 4 dining table I realise the A and B extensions may not be particularly feasible in the space I have. Still if the up and over line becomes an additional siding then a terminating passenger station with a cement works/quarry facility still looks viable.
    Thanks for the thoughts on the Railcar Chris. Not a big fan of those CPH units to be honest. If anything it will be a 622/722 unit but in the interim probably 48+carriage+brake van.
    So far I have painted the baseboard a uniform colour. I need to experiment with whether I can put the track on the canvas but it has some give so I will either pact the back of the canvas with foam (to keep it lightweight for transit and storage) or possibly lay the track on a bed of balsa wood glued to the canvas. Now I've started the paint is taking an age to dry! Better take the Xmas tree, which is shedding pine needles at an alarming rate, down.
    LATER - The soon to be ex cat has just walked all over the drying canvas.........:faint:
     
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    Toto Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    :avatar: don't throw out the fur ...... you could dye it for grass ........ poor cat.
     
  8. Gary

    Gary Staff Member Administrator Golden Goat 2018

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    To make the baseboard lightweight, you could always glue/staple 3mm MDF sheet across it or use some 30mm insulation foam (available at Bunnings), which comes in sheets 600 x 1200mm. ;)

    As for the up and over, just watch how steep you make the line. At the moment I'm building an incline and it is 1 in 35, or 2.86%. That is a climb of 2" over a length of 70". To me it looks quite steep, but as I'm running short trains, it should be ok... ;)

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  9. class48nswfan

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    Well I have laid out the contents of the scrap track box on the baseboard along with some new points and have made a few changes to the layout. There will be a third loop at the station now and the up and over line is no more becoming a third siding in the quarry area. I think I can bend the track in the hidden section around the bottom side of the layout to get a good train length - 5 wagons + loco. This means the layout can fit on the dining table and no additional extensions are needed.
    I experimented with a couple of lengths of balsa wood to support the canvas. Basically the canvas is tuat over an outer frame and this is supported by a small inner frame which actually sits back from the canvas. So I jammed the balsa between the canvas and the support frame and that seems to be a good solution. The centre of the layout will not hold any track so will not be supported - at the moment at least. Photos will follow when I can find the charger for the camera.
    There are two schools of thought re the setting. Mowarra Junction (on my Wallace Creek layout) is the junction for a freight only branch to Timbillica Railhead (in reality it forms the continuous loop around the Wallace Creek layout) so photographing a train leaving Mowarra Junction and then arriving at Timbillica Railhead has an attraction (or at least it did when Mrs C48NSW suggested that I should build something completely different favouring a UK 1970s layout with a coal mine. That suggestion rather blew me out of the water, mainly because it would need a whole different set of rolling stock and one of her beefs is that I keep buying rolling stock for Wallace Creek.
    Still having been a spotter in the BR blue days its not without its attractions - small industrial shunter, 16 ton mineral wagons, Class 24 and Class 37 freight locos and a Class 105 DMU. Well I don't have to make the decision right now - more a scenery thing but I am tempted.
    :scratchchin:
    The cat is still intact for those wondering...........
    Dave
     
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    I think I may have just claimed biggest modelling foul up of 2018 so far. Mind you I'm pretty sure I'll outdo my self by 31 Dec 2018, but this was a real corker.
    So I acquired some balsa wood to provide the backing for the canvas and was fitting it onto the back prior to gluing when it suddenly occurred to me that the layout was 12 inches short.:faint:
    "Oh drat (or something similar)", I uttered "what a calamity (or something similar)"
    So its back to the drawing board! Below is the 5x4 latest version. Long enough to operate loco + 4 - 6 wagons. Some shunting interest. Still debating whether this will be the inside section of Wallace Creek or a UK layout.
    The baseboard is taking shape slowly but I think my concept is working - rigid enough and lightweight.

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    Well after a bit of hit and miss I now have a 5 x 4 layout. The original spiral layout went early and the layout is similar in concept to the one above but with a different arrangement with regard to the sidings. I will probably build up the scenery as an industrial facility which could accommodate both UK and Australian rolling stock.

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    Continuing this thread even though the layout has started but has no name. Godforsaken industrial estate is the theme and the loose link to my Wallace Creek layout is that its a stub off the main line somewhere just north of Mowarra Junction. Still thinking about getting some Uk stock to operate this layout as well.

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  13. Gary

    Gary Staff Member Administrator Golden Goat 2018

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    Very grassy ! Looking forward to see how you complete the industrial scene. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    Still under consideration and still depending on what I decide for traffic to and from the two main sets of sidings. I suspect some of the buildings will be plonk on Skaledale type buildings (which as the layout has to be stored upright is a necessity) but I may (and accepting I am a dreadful scratch builder) try making some basic big square ugly structures to occupy the area in front of the fiddle yard and centre of the layout. The grassy section you see in the picture is meant to represent a bit of disused rail infrastructure and I may add some detritus to make it look a bit more godforsaken.
     
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    jakesdad13 Staff Member Moderator

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    class48nswfan wrote:
    If you check out the downloadable scalescene and smart models kits you will find some large buildings. Not strictly kits as you have to cut them out and assemble them. They are a good introduction to scratch building as its possible to chop them about to get the model you need.

    Cheer's, Pete.
     
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    Thanks Pete- I will check them out. Because I am a bit clumsy and these will all have to be stored somewhere in a box, I am thinking about pasting to offcuts of wood or possibly making the base structures out of balsa wood. I also have somewhere a plastic sheet of corrugated iron that might prove useful.
    The look I am going for will be massive buildings dwarfing the railway.
    Hoping to finish ballasting and initial base scenic work around the edges today and then will have a short operating session.
    D
     
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    This layout has developed into Honeypot Lane Industrial Estate and I will start a thread in members layouts sometime soon.
     
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    Ron Staff Member Moderator

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    Honeypot Lane Industrial Estate is just down the road from me, about 8 miles South of Grantham next to the A1. They deal in ex military vehicles of all kinds, interesting place!!:thumbup:
     
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    class48nswfan Full Member

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    Spot on Ron - the working name for my new layout had been "godforsaken industrial estate" but when we passed the sign the other day on the A1 the new name for the layout was adopted!
     
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