At last, the DJ Models Class 71's have arrived!

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  1. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    As something of a surprise, as I was only expecting one, both my DJ Models Class 71's arrived today......the anticipation is killing!

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    Must get those lids off!

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    .......and finally!

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    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    It's been almost 2 years since I ordered the first one, but I can now safely say it's been well worth the wait, Dave Jones should be extremely proud of what He's delivered with these loco's, the detailing is on another level. As you can imagine, I'm still 'running-in' presently, and most unusual for me, it's with decoders fitted. This is because these models are fitted with coreless motors and they don't like 'bumpy DC', ie half wave rectified DC, and since my DC controller is a very simple and old Hornby one, I'm not taking the chance of burning out the motors, as they apparently overheat very quickly on half wave DC. Like 'SR Man', I have a 'Legomanbiffo' sound decoder and bass reflex speaker to fit, but as the decoder is an ESU one (NOT my favourite decoder!), I'm not sure how many functions it has (5 are needed to use all facilities), so I'll have to have a look at Biffo's site for more details. The models are both currently running with a Lenz Silver 21 pin non-sound decoder, which has 5 functions , so everything is working as it should and running beautifully. As you may guess, I'm currently a very happy bunny!:avatar::avatar::avatar:

    Keith.
     
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    Good looking loco's Keith, in that last photo it looks like an OO and an O pair of loco's!!
     
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    Just a bit closer to the camera, Ron. As far as I'm aware, DJ has no plans for an '0' gauge version, but you never know!:giggle:
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    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Certainly look the part. :thumbs:
     
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    I am posting this in my layout topic as well, but it is probably just as relevant here.

    I managed to get some 'quiet time' this morning, so set up the camera wagon behind the class 71 for a change (usually when I am doing a "cab ride" I have the wagon in front of the locomotive).

    I have demonstrated some, but not all of the features of the locomotive and legomanbiffo sounds. For the record, the speed was settled at step 50 (out of 126) on my NCE Pro Cab.

    Sounds include the roar of the traction motor blower (I think I need more bass for this, so a larger, bass reflex speaker may be finding its way into the locomotive in the future), the two slightly different air whistle tones (F2 and F3), the marker lights (F0 - left on to give the locomotive some 'presence' in the darkness of the tunnels), directional cab lights (F19), cab door slam (F6), and the lovely compressor sound (F7).

    As you can see, the LokSound v4 decoder seems to have no problems with controlling the locomotive smoothly. It was originally set for a class 350 (hence the written label visible in an earlier photo I took) but I did a reblow with 'Bif's sounds late last year, and have changed nothing in the settings except the volume (CV63).



    I have noted the slight wheel wobble on the low-sided wagon just ahead of the camera - a wheel change will be executed soon!
     
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    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Really good. A nice smooth run indeed. I would not have known what that class sounds like but generally the sounds seem okay to me.
    Thanks for posting up.
    Cheers
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  10. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    Keith M wrote:
    Looking at the model it seems to be not a great deal of detail as it is a rather flat model. I'm guessing all the detail is in the bogies, the undercarriage, the pantograph and possibly the cab interior.

    Can you post up a few more pics of the details please ?? ;);)

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    One of my photos showing the bogie detail- a little fuzzy in places but the leading bogie is sharp. The coil springs are proper helical shapes with spaces, unlike most moulded coils.

    I haven't yet taken any close-ups of the pantograph, which is extremely finely detailed.

    The cab interior is pretty good too, and the side grilles on the other side of the body are well moulded too. Note also the chequer plate kick panels under the doors.

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    As requested by Gary, here are a few hopefully better detailed (but within iPhone camera limits!) photos of the Class 71. As Gary asked, yes, the bogies are extremely well detailed.

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    You may have to zoom in to see the chequer plated steps above the buffers.

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    Drivers compartment detail and again, chequer plate below door.

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    Well detailed ventilation grilles on the side.

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    ......and finally, the pantograph, which I gather is made up of around 50 individual parts! It's all plastic, and understandably a little delicate but undeniably well detailed. At this point, I have not yet fitted the bogie lifting lugs which SRMan has referred to, and although all lighting functions work on my E5004, which is non-sound Lenz Silver+ decoder fitted, on E5003, which is ESU (Legomanbiffo) sound fitted, the route indicator boards do not light. This is because the ESU decoder has 4 switching outputs and 2 logic only outputs, whereas the Lenz has 5 switching outputs. P1MRC member Charlie Petty has mentioned (on RMWeb) that ESU do an intermediate board which converts the 2 logic outputs to switching ones, so I will be contacting him for details, rather than bothering altering internal wiring, so if you're looking in Charlie, please give us more details.
    Keith.

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    Snap!

    I was taking photos of the pantograph and well just as you must have been posting, Keith!

    Anyway, here are my photos - I don't think they'll cause any overloads on the subject. :)

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    Yours are much clearer pics than mine Jeff! Been looking at the ESU add-on boards, and it seems part No.51968 21MTC adaptor is the board in question, although there is also 51970 I/O expansion board 21 MTC, but this appears to be the type that allows access to the 'hard to get at' extra connections on the 21 pin decoders, more of a 'breakout board' it seems. DC Kits and Legomanbiffo were at last years GCR model event and I guess they'll be there again 16th/18th of next month so I may contact them and ask if they'll bring a board with them for me, as I'm going on the 16th (Friday).
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    Keith M wrote:
    To work the head code lights you need a decoder whose 5th output (usually referred to as AUX3 or FO3) is a logic output and not a normal function output. The 5th function on the Lenz Silver is indeed a logic output which is why the head code lights work. So if the ESU decoder has its 5th function as a logic output the lights should work.
     
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    Mine is a fairly low speed layout, with the intention being to allow viewers to see the trains glide and snake past. When the upper level is eventually operational, the trains have a length of viaduct to wend their way along too.

    Even so, with the discussions elsewhere on top speed at the back of my mind, I decided to video trains running at what I consider "reasonable" speeds for my layout.

    Using my NCE Power Pro system with a 15 V power supply, the two DJM class 71s are seen here with E5004 with Lenz Silver+ decoder on a Pullman train with lights on speed step 91 (out of 126), while E5004, with ESU LokSound v4 decoder is on a milk train at speed step 43.

    While they could both go a little faster than this, it wouldn't look particularly comfortable in my layout's setting. I'll let others be the judges of what would suit their wants or needs.

    As for the ESU LokSound working the headcodes, this can, indeed, be done. Using Decoder Pro on my computer, talking through the Power Pro system to the programming track, I was able to set F20 to work the headcodes. While the LokSOund decoder has four functions, it also has logic outputs, and assigning F20 to aux 3 logic output allows the headcodes to be lit - DJM have kindly included the necessary amplifier circuit on the PCB to allow the lights to be powered from the logic output. While fiddling with the settings in Decoder Pro, I also dimmed all of the lights on both locos, although they still appear a little too bright in the video.

     

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