Class 26/27 Concept to kit

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  1. SBt

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    OK after a frustrating afternoon of moulds not curing etc. I managed to complete the mid frame section without further incident. However some modifications will need to be made to the original artwork. These are minor and I'm now confident enough to start laying the various pieces in place on the etch.

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    You are getting there Steve. All in good time. :thumbs:
     
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    I predict Part 1 of the build instructions will consist of a series of sub assemblies to complete at the pre build stage :avatar: Great work Steve bring it on. :thumbs:
     
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    Pretty much :thumbs:
     
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    One's flabber is suitably gasted. Great work and a great insight into how these models are designed.
     
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    Right - the game begins (usual fee plus expenses), positioning the various parts into the most efficient and minimal way on a fixed size sheet, while trying to maintain their relationship to one another.

    When I designed the Class 16, I went away from 'framing' every thing in brass thus resulting in a whole load of scrap brass strips. So I'm using the long component parts to form the battens as much as possible. When I do use a batten I'll try and ensure it's of a useful size, IE. 1mm or 2mm wide so the modeller can re-use these on other projects.

    The smaller parts such as footsteps and tank brackets etc. will be in their own frame and placed within the mainframe and platform etches. I'm also going to try to do these so when released they won't get lost.

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    That's a very attractive selling point for these kits, 1mm, 2mm or 3mm etch strips make recycling for scratch building easy, I can't tell you how much rubbish and useless shape off cuts I've got in my scrap etch box. Regular and reusable strips when cleaned up would be a boon indeed. :thumbup:
     
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    Handy use of the leftovers. Always come in handy for something.

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    Indeed Toto, just think of all the scrap etch pieces you will ultimately have... enough to make a fleet of Black 5's :avatar:
     
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    And first wire work completed this morning. These are the grills sets. There are six for the 26/27 and 3 for a class 33 along with 9 pairs of radiator grills to suite all BRCW Loco's and lifting lug set for a Class 08. Also three are three folding door sections for the Leyland National bus. This will be an accessory item for anyone who wants to Model with the doors open.

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    Very nice Steve, the Leyland National will go down a storm for sure especially in the correct 1:43 scale as opposed to the slightly larger 1;50 as used by Corgi. Will the National be available in both short and long body formats? Now what would really be nice would be to do a Daimler Roadliner with a Plaxton Derwent body or an Alexander bodied AEC Reliance.

    Here is the standee version of Roadliner on layover in Leek bus station.


    And here is an Alexander Reliance on Stand 5 at Leek bus station on the Cheadle service, behind is an ex Devon General Light 6 running for Berresfords and at the back is an AEC Reliance with Weymann "Hermes" style bodywork on the Wednesday Only market day service from Onecote and Grindon. Any of these would also go down well in the model world I believe, photo copywrite to myself.

     
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    That's an idea - The National got a very good reception on the stand at Telford so am open to other suggestions. Both versions will be modelled. I'll add those two to the interested list.
     
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    What works generically for the AEC Reliance with a "Hermes" body (depending upon which mark is used) is that Trent, Devon General, Southdown, North Western Road Car, Hebble, Isle of Man Road Car, Maidstone & District, PMT, East Kent, Hendleys of Abertillery and even Midland Red (long 54 seat 36 foot body with lantern front windshield) used these buses in some form or another. Now that opens up a whole new audience and kits can be produced with a selection of ends, fronts, door combos etc plus embellishments, all AEC's have the same style of wheels as Leyland have theirs and the later Reliance's all have the same wrap round front windshield as per the PMT Roadliner from Plaxton's so there's a lot of mix and match scope. Anyway if you think it worth looking into and researching I can put you in contact with reliable bus people in the know.
     
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    Thanks Paul - that could be very useful - will follow up after scheduled projects are completed, the FG being one of them.

    Back to the 26/27. This afternoon I lined up the roof ribs with the cantrail grills to ensure there would be no miss-alignment when it comes to adding the louvres. Then exported the whole thing to 3d and was delighted that all the tabs lined up perfectly. :cheers: I deserve a drink after that! I'm getting better, at this rate I'll be a professional.

    The only thing is would I be better to etch out the roof ribs for easier access?

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    Well you certainly are a professional designer because you do the CAD work that we couldn't nor would want to, plus you have a good support team here at Platform 1 each versed and willing to be called on with their respective skills as required. Now I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "etch out the roof ribs for easier access"... does this mean because there are 7 ribs for the body shell to wrap over it may be a case of providing half etch lines inside the bodyshell roof space to solder the ribs to and then offering the square skeleton afterwards by soldering it via the tabs? That would work in theory (I think) by soldering the central ribs first and working outwards to the cabs, if anything it would form the correct body shape from the pre-rolled wrap. :scratchchin:
     
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    1/2 Etch lines inside the body shell create a nasty 'rib' effect on the surface.. However it is something that would work really well on a class 46 etc....
     
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    Final discipline for the day is moving the skeleton into position then adding the outer fret boundary to see how much space I have. OK lots of room for sundry bit's and pieces - may put the cab fronts on the end there. Cup of tea and telly on now I think.

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    Looking good Steve. Getting there now. :thumbs:
     
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    3d Program really proving it's worth this morning. All the tank hangers needed some kind of modification which I've now done. There are 4 variants so when I add these to the mainframe one side will be for a 26 and the other an 27!

    Later today I'll be tacking the bogies.

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    After a rather frustrating weekend dealing with the BR Crew Van and it's various casting issues, it was nice to get back to the Class 26/27. And this time I'm dealing with the bogie sideframes.

    No I've had previous experience of designing these types of frame (D600 and 10800) and find the best way is to start outside and work back. But first I reverted to an inner chassis with floating motor which seems to be the modellers choice. To this I've added a facility to mount the sideframes at each end and make removable. Hopefully you'll see how this works shortly.

    At time of posting I was working my way through the sideframe assembly, but more pics on that later.

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