Paul's Nellie

Discussion in 'Kits, Kit bashes & Scratch builds' started by paul_l, Jan 14, 2018.

  1. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Looking really good Paul. Almost looks meant:avatar:
     
  2. jakesdad13

    jakesdad13 Staff Member Moderator

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    Spot on Paul! just go's to show how well designed Jim's kits are, even if you don't follow the distructions to the letter, they still work!

    Nice one. :thumbs:

    Pete.
     
  3. Rob Pulham

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    Hi Paul,

    Have you added any weight anywhere? The side tanks are ideal because you can trap some sheet lead in without needing to glue or solder it. I appreciate that you will have a bit of weight in the cab area but you may also need some further forward for decent traction.
     
  4. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Rob - I had looked at the tanks, not just for ballast but also as a possible locations for the decoder and stayalive.

    Todays mission should I accept it is the chassis (as if I have a choice).

    Out with the reamer, and open the axle holes for the bushes in both the chassis and the motor mount.

    The chassis is then folded in to shape - I also loose fitted the axle bushes and axles to help hold the whole chassis square as I soldered it together - if the axles move freely then the chassis should be square.

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    Now the most delicate operation to date - reaming out the motor bearing hole in the motor mount. I don't know about the Mashima 1833, but the Canon DN22 motor has very little clearance between the outside edge of the motor bearing and the fastening screws. So again out with the reamer and .....

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    This a really snug fit, and looking at the screw holes there is probably an allowance for vertical adjustment for meshing, I'm not making the hole any bigger just yet.

    Tomorrows task is to fit the motor to the gearbox, and the motor gearbox assembly to the chassis.
    Mount the body on to the chassis and adjust the motor / gbox assy to clear the body then tag the motor mount to one side of the chassis. Remove the motor and complete the soldering of the motor mount to the chassis.

    Time for a good nights sleep - maybe

    Paul
     
  5. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Nearly there Paul. A great thread. :thumbs:
     
  6. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Euston we have a problem

    Although the pitch of the motor mount holes matches the inner Canon motor holes, these ones aren't tapped :facepalm:

    So the options are to drill new holes in the motor mount or tap the other holes. The first option is probably the one I will go with. But just in case, I've ordered up a set of small Taps, including an M2.

    I also have a Roxey Moulding motor mount which may not be suitable at all for the Canon motor.
    Maybe I have found the ideal candidate for my first machining exercise when I've sussed out how to program it :whatever:.

    Paul
     
  7. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    I thought the screws just passed through the mount into a thread at the rear of the motor. I'm confused now. Not that it takes much to achieve that. :avatar:
     
  8. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Toto

    On checking the 3 Canon motors I have - the top and bottom holes are tapped M2, the two center holes - which align with the motor mount are not tapped.

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    The central bush is 9.95mm dia (nominal 10mm) against the Mashima 5.98mm dia (nominal 6mm).

    Although I have ordered up M2 taps, I don't really fancy the idea of running a tap in to an assembled motor. As the kits motor mount is quite high, I decided to make up a drilling jig for the top and bottom holes.

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    I 3D printed it to be 24mm wide to fit snugly between the chassis frames, the 2.2mm dia holes on 15mm centers and a 9.95mm dia center spigot to go through the motor mount hole,

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    Now just have to find a 2mm drill to make the holes.

    Good news is the plunger pickups have arrived.

    Paul
     
  9. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Yippeeeeeeee but no C & L package as yet ......:mad:
     
  10. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Slaters ordered Sat arrived Wed.

    C&L ordered and paid for 15th Dec. STILL waiting order status is processing and has been since the 15th Dec, they don't answer their contact forms or the phone.

    One very brassed off customer

    Paul
     
  11. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Don't blame you. All it takes is an acknowledgement and brief update. Meanwhile the payment has been taken. It's just a shame that the products you are after are not commonly available elsewhere. ..... Then again ...... They know that as well. What a way to run a business.

    Not a good track record ..... Track record ...... Get it. :avatar: :facepalm: sorry Paul.
     
  12. Gary

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    Apart from the hiccup with the motor fixing points, what you have achieved with the cab roof, chassis and the boiler is amazing. Keep up the great work. :thumbs:

    Looks like I'll need to expand my tool box before I start my kit... ;)

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  13. jakesdad13

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    Toto wrote:
    I know its not much comfort, but Peco individulay rail chairs are available for O scale point work. il-702 and il-703 slide chairs for code 124 rail.

    Cheer's, Pete.
     
  14. paul_l

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    Cheers Pete

    I will look at them, I'm just happy when I saw the bank transfer only method of payment I cut my order down from almost £200 to £43. phew.

    And by not getting any confirmation from them of receipt of payment, I'll be too late to get the bank to do anything about it.

    Back to the loco, I'll post a couple of pics later, I've gone off piste again, and turned the motor the other way up, boy do you get more room.

    Paul
     
  15. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Ok .... so what have I been pontificating on this time ?

    Well, Jim's excellent kit is designed to use the Mashima 1833 motor, but these are like hen's teeth to get hold of, my previous posts have shown how I modified the motor mount to take the Canon motor.

    The next step is to tack solder the motor mount into position, remove the motor and run proper seams to locate the motor mount into position - simples, well it was until I used screws at 90 degrees to the original position.

    This is how the motor is supposed to be mounted

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    and the well thought out design has cut outs in the frame spacers to allow access to the mounting screws

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    Unfortunately my mounting screws are blocked by the spacer and the axle :facepalm:

    Luckily my dremel got put away somewhere safe just before xmas, and if it stays that safe it my appear on next years Santa's wish list, so I tried spinning the motor mount round, and got ......

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    Putting in the brake hanger wire gave the mount something to rest on while I fitted the body

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    There's clearance of a couple of mm at the top of the motor and I can get access to the mounting screws

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    And there is plenty of space to fit the decoder and stay alive in front of the motor .

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    I can see the motor is close to the backhead, but all is good

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    Any thoughts or anything I may have missed before I get the soldering iron out of its holster.

    Paul
     
  16. Toto

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    It all looks PDG to me. :thumbs:
     
  17. Rob Pulham

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    Toto wrote:
    I agree, go for it.
     
  18. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Well that's the way I went :facepalm: :thumbup:

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    It's been running under power 30 min in each direction for over 3 hours, motor cool and running quite smoothly.

    One consequence of mounting it this way, I will need to model the bottom half of the backhead, to allow for motor clearance the lower part of the backhead is missing from the casting.

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    :facepalm: there's always something else :scratchchin: :avatar:

    Paul
     
  19. Toto

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    Well done that man. :thumbs:
     
  20. jakesdad13

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    paul_l wrote:
    I'm sure a chap of your caleyebree will soon sort/print that problem out of the way :avatar:

    Cheer's, Pete.
     

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