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 Posted: 4 Oct 2016 03:03
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Hi all

I figured if I start a build thread I'll be more inclined to keep the ball rolling!

As I mentioned in my intro, my interest area is in NSW railways in the 60's and 70's. Gundagai is a small town about half way between Sydney and Melbourne on the Hume Highway. The branchline from Cootamundra to Tumut ran through the town. Of particular interest is the magnificent old bridge that ran across the Murrumbidgee River (I might have bitten off more than I can chew here). For those interested, the local museum runs a nice webpage that gives a good feel for the area in general. https://gundagairailwaymuseum.wordpress.com.

The branchline closed in 1975, but it would be really cool to build the layout as if the NSW government changed their minds at sometime! Tumut is a town with a large timber mill and livestock industry and this would form the basis for the railways continued existence.

So at this stage, one side of the L will be Tumut and the other will be Gundagai. Space is limited as I would like to have some sort of staging area on the Cootamundra end. I suspect with the space issue that it might just end up being Tumut with a staging area and I would be happy with that.

I happen to have a pair of 48 class already 'in stock' and added another this weekend with a lovely Trainorama example in Indian Red livery. The plan is to have a few old steamers in the timetable in the not to distant future and a rail motor.

I was so inspired by Gary at the exhibition that I pit stopped at Bunnings on the way home and got to work on slicing and dicing my old 7 x 4 base board into a 2600 x 700 and 2440 x 700 L - Shape.





I bolted the legs and the braces instead of screwing so that the legs can be removed for transport (or an exhibit, god forbid...). It's about 1.3m high which is perfect for me as I'm quite tall and would like to look at the layout rather than down on it.

You can see the remnants of the old layout. Unfortunately there's some seriously permanent features that will require a sand before painting.

First question to the forum: I'm considering putting a layer of high density foam down on the board as a base (the all purpose style that can be used for insulating walls. Anyone do something similar? I figured it would make contouring easier, allow me to install uncoupling magnets and run the wiring in a sandwich style like Gary has on Industry Lane. Thoughts?

Reidy

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 Posted: 4 Oct 2016 03:47
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I know that Bunnings has some high density foam used for insulation as I have had the same thought as you for creating land form. You will get a few benefits from using this and them being, 1. being able to sink point motors, 2. quiet running, 3. sinking the wiring into the foam by cutting grooves, 4. creating lower than rail height scenery, great for modelling small culverts, creeks, streams, even a roadway under a low trestle.

This is the foam that I have seen at Bunnings and have considered as a decent modelling product :

https://www.bunnings.com.au/knauf-insulation-1200-x-600-x-50mm-xps-multi-use-foam-board_p0811028

Is this what you were thinking or were you considering polystyrene foam, the white stuff that ends up everywhere !

Cheers, Gary.



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 Posted: 4 Oct 2016 04:20
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Hi Reidy
Have seen the same stuff at Bunnings and am going to try it for scenery once we get the track laid.
We went with plywood board tops and then what I think the British call Sundela board under the cork for the track. In the office we called it pin board as we used it to make noticeboards around the place.
Just a warning, we found that once we laid the stuff under the track the Peco point motor pins were too short (even the long ones) to go all the way through and we needed to cut holes in the baseboards instead. May give us a replacement access issue down the track if one fails. Given over I would think about that first.
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Right in at the deep end. :thumbs: the foam board sounds like it has a lot of advantages there. Would you cap it off with plaster for the land contouring?

Are you going DCC ?

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Early this year we stopped overnight in Gundagai. Had a good walk around town and then had a look at the bridge. It certainly is a classic rail bridge to model.
We even drove down and walked under part of it & at over 800 metres long it is a sight to see.

Cheers, Andrew

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Unfortunately Sundella board does have a tendency to sag over time. :eek: There has been plenty written about this in/on other forums.

Cheers, Gary.



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 Posted: 4 Oct 2016 06:30
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Gary wrote:
I know that Bunnings has some high density foam used for insulation as I have had the same thought as you for creating land form. You will get a few benefits from using this and them being, 1. being able to sink point motors, 2. quiet running, 3. sinking the wiring into the foam by cutting grooves, 4. creating lower than rail height scenery, great for modelling small culverts, creeks, streams, even a roadway under a low trestle.

This is the foam that I have seen at Bunnings and have considered as a decent modelling product :

https://www.bunnings.com.au/knauf-insulation-1200-x-600-x-50mm-xps-multi-use-foam-board_p0811028

Is this what you were thinking or were you considering polystyrene foam, the white stuff that ends up everywhere !

Cheers, Gary.


That's the stuff, except Marsden Park had it for about $12.80 a sheet. Might be worth getting a few sheets if it's on sale. Will have to have a think. 🤔Polystyrene would probably turn in to a messy affair.

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Toto wrote:

Are you going DCC ?


It's all new to me. After seeing all these layouts with all the sound and lighting, it's hard to ignore it. Especially seeing as it's a clean slate and the wiring is so much easier. I'll start looking into it. Was it an NCE unit you have, Gary?

The only issue is that I have 2x Powerline 48's and a Lima 44 that will need converting. They're noisy units and the 44 needs some TLC. It was running when it went into storage, but alas, no longer. I'm not sure whether it's worth moving them on and replacing with new models. They're looking a bit red faced with the new Trainorama on the block.

I was told at Liverpool that there's no replacement motor for the PL 48's but I know I saw one on fleabay with a Mashima on board. Wouldn't want the old motor to drown out the sound track.

Matt

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Sandbar wrote:
Early this year we stopped overnight in Gundagai. Had a good walk around town and then had a look at the bridge. It certainly is a classic rail bridge to model.
We even drove down and walked under part of it & at over 800 metres long it is a sight to see.

Cheers, Andrew


Isn't it magnificent? I used to travel Albury Canberra all the time and could see the bridge but never actually got to see it up close.

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I found this on a war gamers australian website on building scenery etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF3d4ZIQGLM

He does a good review of the Bunnings insulation product, showing cutting with knife, cutting with hot wire, snpping pieces off and shaping.
Cheers, Andrew

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Great to to see that with a bit of inspiration you have jumped into the deap end and started something and the posting up of progress I find really helps keep you motivated and you can flick back and see your oun progress.
The foam board is great I have Iused in is several layouts
As a base and for scenic's it's nice and solid I use it with O scale models on top and never had any issues.

Love the theme of your layout had considered it in O scale but unfortunately didn't suit for big 38's.

Photo show foam board used on a modular O scale

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I just opened up another box:



It's a small collection of vintage stuff. From right to left 2 Hornby Dublo passenger cars and a couple of four wheel cars and a Triang box car. Then we have a 3 car Lima passenger metro set and a Life Like passenger car (definitely not vintage). The two locos are a Jouef(?) in really good nick and a Hornby Dublo D90 that feels like is made of lead! Any of you Brits or Straylians' know anything about these.

I'll be moving these on shortly as they're not really in keeping with my style.

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Yes, NCE. I bought my unit from DCC Concepts , but there are other retailers about. MRRC at Blacktown is reportedly the 'Official Agent' in Sydney, but I'm sure you would be able to pick one up anywhere. They retail between $220.00 and $260.00, depending who/where you purchase from.

The Powerline 48s and Lima 44 can be hard wired. It is an easy task to do. But you are right about the sound. Chris has put up a post on a supplier of similar 'pancake' motors as a replacement for the old Lima motors. But I will add that the Mashima power unit would be hard to pass up.

Cheers, Gary.



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SMR CHRIS wrote:
Great to to see that with a bit of inspiration you have jumped into the deap end and started something and the posting up of progress I find really helps keep you motivated and you can flick back and see your oun progress.
The foam board is great I have Iused in is several layouts
As a base and for scenic's it's nice and solid I use it with O scale models on top and never had any issues.

Love the theme of your layout had considered it in O scale but unfortunately didn't suit for big 38's.

Photo show foam board used on a modular O scale


Wow, how good are the 38's. I was lucky enough to go for ride from Albury to Culcairn on 3801 years back. It made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck seeing it fly past at Gerogery.

I might have to sneak one in to Gundagai when state rail decide to upgrade the branch 😉

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Sandbar wrote:
I found this on a war gamers australian website on building scenery etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF3d4ZIQGLM

He does a good review of the Bunnings insulation product, showing cutting with knife, cutting with hot wire, snpping pieces off and shaping.
Cheers, Andrew


Super helpful, thanks so much! I can cut away sanding the old residue away this way.

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