Great Chesterford Junction Part Two

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  1. gormo

    gormo Staff Member Administrator

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    Thanks Chris.....:tophat:
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    G`day Folks,
    Submitted below is my last update video for 2022 and as Christmas is nearly upon us, I doubt whether I will get much more done this week apart from running some trains.
    Thanks to all who read and participate in this thread and I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
    The video is a long one so you make need to stock up on crisps and beer or your favorite tipple.


    :tophat::cheers::cheers: Gormo
     
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  3. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    Great video Gormo. Showing the workings of the layout was a bonus !

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    G`day Folks,
    Unfortunately my presence and input into some family matters was required over the last month and a half, so GCJ has taken a back seat for quite some time.
    There was a short interlude where we had our little Grandsons for a couple of days, and a good amount of those two days was spent running trains and shunting and generally having fun out in the shed.
    The boys were keen to place some figures on the railway, so I let them have their heads and gently guided them through the process.
    Pics below
    We started with some railway staff......this little bloke is up to something at GCJ Box.

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    And a couple on the platform


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    Then they found some RAF personnel and placed them in the airfield.


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    I need some paving in front of the huts


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    And some station staff at Little Bardfield


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    So folks , that is the sum total of work done on GCJ since before Christmas.......but progress is progress.....:thumbs:

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  5. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Well they look to have done a mighty fine job there Gormo! Really set the scene.
    I love the little airfield with the green (MG?) looks like a scene out of the film “Battle of Britain” with Christopher Plummer going to meet susannah Yorke at the pub!
    Love it!
     
  6. gormo

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    Thanks Andy,
    Yes the boys have done well.......and the car is a Morgan....similar to old MG`s but hand made and expensive.
    :tophat:Gormo
     
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    Can’t be a Morgan.. it’s got more than 3 wheels! (He said pulling your leg!) :giggle:

    I should have spotted it was a Morgan not an MG.
     
  8. gormo

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    G`day Folks,
    I have been mucking about with couplings again and have found something that is ticking all the boxes for me this time.
    You`re probably sick of hearing about my coupling adventures, but rest assured this is the end of it.
    Magnetic Coupling on a Budget
    Anyhow I converted my Lima Prairie over to the system and it was working fine but the loco eventually just stopped dead.
    I took it apart and stripped down the motor, gears etc.....got everything nice and clean and thoroughly checked and still had a problem.
    It would move freely in reverse but there was considerable resistance in forward. The wheels and connecting rods all move freely with motor detached. The gears mesh and spin freely.
    The motor however, moves freely in one direction but there is strong stepping in the other.......this does not make sense.....I tried taking the magnet out and reversing it with no change.
    This was becoming a real pain in the place where the sun don`t shine........so I searched through my store of replacement CD motors and fitted one in. I have a supply of 8 tooth pinions as well because I prepared for this sort of thing a few years back.
    It was actually surprisingly easy to do and now she runs quiet and free. I do need to look at the pick ups though and work out a better arrangement for them as they are worn and will not last to the end of the race.
    So another drama put to bed.
    :tophat:Gormo
     
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    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Daft question, has it a bearing? Had it worn and causing the armature to snag? Where as in the op direction it will push the opposite side? (Loading)

    just a thought and may be way off track.

    Andy
     
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    G`day Andy,
    Yes it does have a bearing, two in fact, one each side of the pancake motor.
    Both bearings seem to be fine and I am at a loss to understand why it was only misbehaving in one direction.
    Anyhow it has been replaced with the CD motor now, which is a far better option anyway. Everything is running very freely now to the point ,where it can crawl at very slow walking pace.
    The old motor was not capable of that. It would just spring to life at 10 mph, which was interesting for shunting.
    So the old motor`s demons will remain a mystery, which some day may make some sense.
    :tophat:Gormo
     
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    Here`s a video showing the Prairie running with it`s new motor.
    I hope to improve on the running by adding Phosphor Bronze wire pick ups.
    I`m off to Casula Hobbies to get some soon.



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    G`day Folks,
    Well I have added Phosphor Bronze wire pick ups to my Lima Prairie and all was working according to my Multi-meter. I even added an extra set to the center wheels.
    However the loco was still stalling on some point frogs at very low speed.
    Considering the loco was picking up current from 6 wheels, there had to be some other reason for the loco stalling at very low speed.
    With body removed the chassis and wheels and pickups were closely examined.
    The answer appeared to be that the loco would slightly drop the leading wheel into the gap between the rails at the frog, and because there is no suspension / compensation in the loco, the loco balances on it`s two diagonally opposed front and rear wheels and rocks slightly and fails to make proper contact with the track.
    The middle axle does not have enough weight applied to it to make effective contact either. Maybe this axle needs a spring to apply down force..?
    Also my track is not perfectly flat, so this was going to be an ongoing problem
    The reason this happens is because the axle bearings in the chassis on the front and the rear wheels are an exceptionally good fit with very little play, or literally just enough to allow the axles to turn freely. The middle axle on the other hand has oval shaped bearings, which allow the middle axle a good degree of vertical movement.
    I decided the solution was to also convert the front bearings to the oval shape by using a round file and only filing the bottom of the the bearing. When the weight of the loco presses down on the axle via the bearing, there should be no change to how the loco drives ,but on uneven track, the front wheels can move enough up or down to stay in contact with the rails whilst the rear wheels are also firmly planted on the track.
    Fortunately reshaping the bearing was the end solution and now the loco is not stalling on any points
    :tophat:Gormo
     
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    It`s in the blood this railway thing and it all comes from my Mother`s side of the family.
    My Grandfather worked on NSW railways most of his life and also my Great Grandfather worked on NSW railways for most of his life.
    Below is a pic of my Great Grandfather at Illabo station......I would assume somewhere between 1900 and 1915 ?
    Illabo is between Cootamundra and Junee in NSW.
    He was foreman of the permanent way gang....he is the one with the shovel and arrow pointing towards him.
    The photo has had a hard life, but you can see the old fellow.
    The station now has been replaced by grain silos.
    My family from that period lived in Cootamundra and nearly all of them worked for the railways.

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    My Great Grandfather, Dudley, pictured above, moved to Australia from Great Chesterford ,Essex, UK in the 1800`s with his brother William.
    They left behind my Great Great Grandfather and Great Great Grandmother to see out their days in Great Chesterford. My Great Great Grandfather, George, also worked for the railways in Essex.
    My Grandfather, John , was fortunate in a way that he worked for NSW railways , in that, during the Depression of the 1930`s he was one of the lucky ones who had a job to go to.
    He worked on a railway gang,( just like his Father ) often going away to country areas for extended periods and sleeping under canvas. He would send his pay back home to Sydney for my Grandmother to keep things going at that time.....a very difficult time.
    So folks......I think I`m stuck with it in my DNA or something.
    :tophat:Gormo
     
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    Great photo and family connection. :thumbup:
     
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    Dear Gormo, 1 / in the early 1970s I attended an ARHS lecture by George F Brown, former CME, then Chief Commissioner of the VR, talking about his early railway career. He made the observation that the two most important jobs on the VR were the Way&Works Track Gangs, and the Carriage and Wagon Greasers, as without them, the trains do not move, and the rest of the railway has no work. This is one of those observations that once heard, are never forgotten. These oft overlooked, but important jobs, even today, ensure that trains run. As every railway modeller knows, poor track means poor running, which means no trains 2 / when I first worked for the VR in 1974, one of my Relieving Station Masters had worked on the VR ( then a State Government Department ) during the Great Depression, and he mentioned that many staff were put on 1/2 time, as a measure to keep as many people on the payroll as possible. ( Deferred leave was generally not granted at this time. ) This all changed, literally overnight, when WW2 broke out. Despite what some "revisionist" economists claim, the unemployment rate in Australia during the Great Depression hovered around the 30%-35% mark, and this obviously excluded people on part time. Those working on the susso ( Sustenance payment ) were also excluded from the Unemployment numbers. 3 / The effect of the war, and subsequent post war labour shortages meant that many staff, especially country based staff, had no annual, or long service leave, from wartime through to the late 1960s, due to the lack of relief staff being available. When I was working in Flinders St, three SMs retired at the then compulsory 65 years of age, and between them their accumulated leave and superannuation entitlements approached $1 million dollars, and it made the headlines of The Sun newspaper. These three men would have started work at age 14-16, so that is a 55 years working life , the bulk of which leave entitlements were unable to be granted.I have worked with both Signalmen and SMs from Country Districts who had no leave for years prior to working in the Metropolitan District, and it was not until Annual Leave Rosters were implemented in the 1980s that regular rostered Leave was possible. For this to finally happen would have required the State Treasury to agree to the necessary funding arrangements. 4 / Train crews were equally affected, and in the 1960s onwards until privatisation, it was not uncommon for Metropolitan District train crews to be compulsory transferred to Country Depots for between 6-12 weeks to move the grain harvest. By the mid 1980s, when Australia had a few bumper grain harvests, the existing Grain Elevators Board of Victoria / GEB storage bins could not store all of the available grain on hand, so it was then decided to place the overflow in plastic lined, and later sealed, pits. This ensured that the grain retained its freshness, and it also meant that the grain distribution by rail was now spread over a longer time period, so the need for additional train crews to move the harvest declined.
    5 / This was also the period of the CANAC Report ( Canadian National Railways Consultancy ) which led to the G class ( 1984-1989, Clyde EMD JT26C-2SS; similar to the BR class 59, 1984-89 GMDD Canada JT26CW-SS ), additional bogie grain wagons ( GJX/GJY later VHGY ) and running all grain trains per fixed rake Block trains, and a pre arranged time table. ( Block trains did pre date this period, but were based on short term movements arranged with the GEB a week or so prior. ) With the subsequent withdrawal of the 4w GY and GH ( GY converted to a hopper wagon ) wagons, the Block Grain trains were able to be run at a higher speed, and were also tightly timetabled, much to the initial horror of the GEB, who found that delaying a Block Grain train at a Grain Terminal ( primarily due to giving road trucks priority ) would have serious, and costly, knock on effects. The Block Train schedules with the GEB were now done months in advance, and these schedules were very reliant on the agreed schedules being strictly maintained. 6 / The coming of the G class also meant that one grain train could clear a complete grain branch line, so both Electric Train Staff / ETS, and Train Staff&Ticket / TS&T were replaced by Train Orders, though some lines retained TS&T due to the cost of installing reliable Train Radio, necessary for Train Orders, were deemed excessive. Subsequently, a Master Key was issued in lieu of a Train Staff, and the Train Order was worded to allow the train to return to the junction. The Master Key was required due toTS&T lines using Staff Locked Points, or Annett Key Releases, so in effect, the Master Key became a de facto Train Staff Only operation, that was authorised by the Train Order. 7 / reminiscence over, Regards and best wishes from Echidna.
     
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    G`day Echidna,
    Thank you for the very informative insight into the running of VR over the years.
    My past involvement with trade unions came back to mind after reading about railway staff leave entitlements , or lack of.
    A most unfair and unsatisfactory situation for those blokes.
    :tophat:Gormo
     
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    Hi Gormo and Echidna. Coming from my early life in Melbourne these words sure do bring back memories.
    Working conditions in the VR way back in the post war period of the late forties and early fifties were somewhat more draconian than most people can remember. We lived at Bentleigh some 9 miles South of the City and I well remember my late Father having to ride his bike each day to and from the City for I think it was a period of 12 weeks when the suburban train crews were on strike. As a very young lad I did not know the background until very much later so my recollection all these years on may not be 100% but the history is about right. It seems that the suburban train crews were rostered on to start around 6/7 am at their respective depots, drive their allocated trains to Flinders street station where most of those peak services were shunted into the then Jolimont sidings waiting for the evening peak to start. Trouble was that most of the crews were rostered off after the morning shift of four hours then waited unpaid until the afternoon shifts commenced from 2/3 pm. So they were on deck from 6am to after 6/7pm but only paid for the time running the trains of 8 hours. The workers were successful in their action.
    While the modern railway unions are often regarded by the traveling public as a bit excessive in some of their actions, historical events certainly support their heritage.
    This reminds me that I must add a train crew rest area on my Dargan layout station.

    Cheers

    and happy modelling

    Richard
     
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    G`day Folks,
    Something a little different turned up in the post today......:scratchchin:
    Gary has had his layout logo printed onto various media and has kindly sent me a sticker for my railway room.
    So it has been placed up on the wall with some of my other memorabilia .


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    A closer look.


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    Thank you very much Gary...:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::tophat:
    Gormo
     
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    Thanks for the pride in place Gormo !

    Cheers, Gary.
     

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