4mm Scale - DJH Highland Railway Barney and Jones Goods Loco Builds

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  1. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    Last night saw me tackling the loco body and despite its small size it's going together nicely.

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    Nice build Rob. :thumbs:
     
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    Chuffing ink! That's gonna be heavy! It should pull like an elephant!
    Took a while to twig it was OO!
    I don't envy the filling job, that's gonna take some work! I think you got the good end of the stick Rob!
    Having done aluminium welding before (similar properties I would imagine) and various brass/steel brazing/soldering, the thought of a flame :eek: on that white metal makes me shiver :twitch:

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    I've had a couple of white metal kits myself where the tender wheel axles were designed to run in holes in the axleboxes. I was able to carefully drill the holes out to size and superglue in pinpoint bearings which made everything run much more smoothly. I'd agree about the Clack valves/Rosspop valves/Whistle etc being replaced with decent brass items, rather than retain the white metal ones (I've used Markits ones, top quality but indifferent delivery). Although obviously smaller to work on than 7mm kits, I find I can still cope OK from an eyesight point of view, but I wouldn't want to be building kits for 'N' gauge!
    "AAAAAAGGHHHH" , screwed chassis frame spacers on the 'Jones', Rob!!! I've a "Model Loco/DJH Rebuilt Merchant Navy" kit to start shortly that has these, and I'm wondering whether to initially screw the spacers in, solder them and then remove the screws, filling in the holes and countersinks with solder and filing flat, or to use angled brass strip frame spacers (home made) instead and forget the screwed items. Have you tried either method?
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    Hi Keith,

    Yes a good few years ago I built a DJH LNER Q7frames/spacers. I soldered them solid with a garden weed wand (long before I had a Microflame). Then I just filed the screw heads flat with the outside of the frame and I will do the same this time.
     
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    I am watching this with some interest, as I have a DJH Jones Goods sitting in a drawer, waiting to be assembled....
     
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    I am not too far off starting the Jones goods the Barney is almost as far as I can take it without more handrail knobs - I only bought short ones but I need some long ones too.
     
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    Although I spent most of the day yesterday being distracted by news of the Finney7 W1 I did have a further session last night which saw much of the loco complete.

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    Just the steps, hand rails plus quite a bit of hacking underneath to get the coupling rods to clear the footplate and it's done. Then from wiring up and testing but I think that I will get both locos to the same state before doing that bit.
     
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    I honestly couldn't work in that scale nowadays Rob, I find the small 7mm items trying sometimes. Great build though all the same.:tophat:
     
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    You make it look easy Rob! (experience I'm sure!) What OO kit would you suggest to someone who's never built a loco kit before??

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    My advice would be not to start with an old kit that's been around for the last 20 years Ron! ( Don't ask how I know this), at least, not until you have some kit build experience under your belt. Also, don't bother with loco kits that are already available in RTR, as it's usually much cheaper to buy the RTR by the time you've added the cost of wheels, motor and gearbox, not to mention replacing sometimes indifferent quality white metal fittings with decent brass ones........and if you need parts from Markits, you may be in for a wait if He's busy.
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    Thanks Keith, all duly noted...:thumbup:
     
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    I await the W1 thread! :scratchchin:
     
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    Hi Ron,

    My first 4mm loco build was the PDK D16 which I made a reasonable fist of

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    Hi Ron,

    To add to the above I would certainly recommend that you build a brass kit as opposed to a whitemetal kit until you have some experience because it's much easier to correct mistakes without the attendant risk of melting parts with a brass kit.
     
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    Thanks Andy,

    It is to be the rebuilt version as it was when first rebuilt in 1937.
     
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    Returning North, Yesterday I pretty much finished the construction of the Barney. It still needs hand rails and the motor fitting sadly despite much grinding away underneath which allowed the motion to move freely as soon as I added the brakes to the chassis they created more clearance problems.

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    I made up another vac pipe for the front.
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    And finally one of the quite prominent things on this particular loco are the injector(?) pipes that go into the top of the firebox either side of the whistle which were conspicuously absent from the kit.
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    I did my usual trick of filing up thin walled tube tube to make the unions and added them to .8mm rod to make a representation of the pipe work.
     
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    Over on RMweb Mark Tatlow mentioned the clack valves on the side of the boiler on the Barney and made me realise that the misshapen blob was supposed to represent them
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    Having had it pointed out I had to do something about it. Mark had pointed me at some castings by Alan Gibson but I figured that they couldn't be too difficult to make a pair and although a little fiddly they were fairly easy to do.

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    They comprise, a couple of brass track rivets, two etched washers and 0.7+0.8mm brass rod.

    First I drilled through the rivets to take the .8mm rod and then with the thick end of the rivet held in a pin vice I used the Proxxon pillar drill to spot drill and then drill through one side of the narrower section. I then soldered a length of .8mm rod through the centre with a stub sticking out of the narrow end. Then I soldered a length of 0.7mm through the hole in the side threaded on the washer and soldered that.

    I scraped the misshapen lumps away with a scalpel and then drilled the boiler side finally bending the 0.8mm rod to shape and using a tiny piece of 100 degree I wafted the microflame over the clack until the solder melted and it was in place.
     
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    Another session last night had the tender for the Jones Goods put together and a standard made for the the brake column. This is where the instructions differ from the drawing that was supplied with the kit although I suspect it was added by the customer rather than DJH as the paper looks newer than the instructions. The instructions would have you add a misshapen whitemetal column to the left hand side of the tender looking forwards, whereas the drawing has the ships wheel attached to a column at the right hand side. The instructions vaguely point to the ships wheel being somehow attached to the inside of th tender door.

    A piece of tube, a couple of different sized washers and some rod made up the column.

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    Lastly a really cruel close up which makes it look like there is a lake of solder around the base....
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    Still a nice kit and build but does not quite have the finnese of the etched kits. Once painted you'd maybe not notice as much.

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