A 3D printing virgin

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  1. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Paul,

    My first print was a set of W iron's 1mm thick, they felt a bit flimsy, so I ran a second print having increased the thickness to 1.5mm. These seem much sturdier but the proof is in the ....., they need using on a wagon and trying out. How much weaker or stronger the the plastic used by say Peco is resin. I get the impression it's more brittle.

    Andy,

    Paul recommended the same, I will follow the advice of you both.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Paul/Andy

    I had a second go at the brake gear using your suggestions, beef the parts up a bit and cut them away from the supports before curing them. Needless to say it worked excellently. I forgot to beef up the brake v and pin rack so they are still to do. I wish my close up photography was as good as my bird (feathered before you say anything Paul), sadly it isn't and black is a horrible colour.

    Should have said left pair are for the classic NER opposite side opposite wheel configuration, the righthand one is the more normal both brakes on one side

    Thanks Gents.

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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Welldone, they look good - you're going to love grey resin when you get some as it shows up all the detail.
    The Darkside has many a temptation, but stick on the path, maintain your studies and enlightenment will be yours, may the force be with you grasshopper :avatar:

    Your on the hardest part of the learning curve at the moment, but your results are getting better, plus as you make changes to methods and procedures you understand better why you jump through some what appear silly hoops, but give the results your after.

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    All you say is too true Paul, but given you are my guiding spirit are you Darth Vader or the Dark Lord?
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Depends on who you ask - the mother in law would reckon both and thier evil twin brother, at the moment I feel a little like Voldelmort, hiding under a bench wimpering, but you never know, I may get enough Death Eaters to rise up and take on the world :avatar:

    Felt a bit like Darth Vader over the last 18 months with all this wearing of face masks.

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Well I have found the right slice setting for wagon bodies - .03, the print graining has almost completely disappeared.
    It was printed with the X and Y axis set to 30 total run time 8 hours+.

    Sadly there was a catastrophic failure half way though the print run resulting in a crack across about 1/2 the body, probable cause me accidentally knocking the table. Oops!
    I am going to retry the run with 40-40 settings but retaining the .03 layer height tomorrow.

    For small parts brakes, w irons etc I am happy with a .05 layer height printed flat, though I might go down to .04 layering.
    A daft question, assuming I stay with Anycubic basic resin, would I need to go through a similar process when I switch to grey resin?
    I appreciate if I move to different resins say the plant based one, then a new series of tests would be necessary.

    After tea I am going to try crack the brake lever, but like Paul with his Highland wagon, I could be bashing a brick wall.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    The good news is, for me at least - the Standard Grey resin settings has worked for White Eco resin and the Grey Craftsman resin.

    On the provided USB stick there should by a file R_E_R_F.pmwo file

    Print this file - it is a resin exposure test file, for my printer it splits the build plate into 8 sections and performs different eposures in each section. This is described in the Anycubic manual supplied on the USB stick, I know real men / modellers dont do manuals, for the Mono X it is in section 11, just before the FAQ.

    It should allow you to fine tune your settings, and in theory should be carried out for each resin, then create a profile for the resin.

    Paul
     
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    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Weren’t they both bad guys? One from Star Wars and the other Harry Potter? :avatar:
     
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    paul, How dare you suggest we are not real men!!! :giggle::giggle:I thought “RTFM” was a must! :hammer::hammer:

    yes, run the test. Tells you a lot about what will happen at certain exposures to dial in your Machine.
    Andy
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    While I have been trialling various slice options for the D1 bolster with the inevitable 6-8 hour waits to see the results I have been working on models for the D4 twin bolster.
    I think I have finally got things in place and this is what the two wagons look like:

    Buffer End (identical for both wagons).png Lefthand Twin.png Righthand Twin.png

    Feeling brave I am going to tackle the V1/2 outside framed brake next, hopefully some of the tricks Paul, Andy and Rob have pointed out will easy my way through it.
     
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    Looking good, to seperate the woodern planks from the metal brackets on the top corners, if you put a 0.1 or 0.2mm fillet around the edge of the planks it will give a fine seperation line.

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Paul,

    Thanks for the tip, I will have a fiddle. I printed the RERF file as suggested by Andy, it basically printed fine, then I opened it in Photon Workshop to see the print parameters, the only difference from those in Chutibox was the exposure time was set to .8, in Chutibox it was 2 sec's, so I have updated ir and will do another test print of some of the components, probably tomorrow as we Sunday Teatimes we have one of the grandkids rattling about till about 7.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Hi Paul,

    I read your suggestion and thought lets see what the effect is so I went back into the drawing and instead of a normal body I have a "mesh" body, also all the sketches have disappear, wtf is going on, any ideas?
     
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    It sounds like you may have lost your connection to Fusion mid drawing. I had it happen a couple of times where Lost parts of the drawing despite frequent saves.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Hi Rob

    It looks like you were right everything is back to normal this morning.

    Mossy
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    I'd noticed from Thursday onwards I would get working offline messages, initially your internet was down, which was strange as I was streaming youtube at the time, then the message changed to server down and not responding - hopefully it was a planned maint and not a ransomware attack.

    All seems ok now.

    Paul
     
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    Erm.. the test file is what you work from don’t change any of its settings. Number 1 is one setting, plate 2 is exposed a little longer.. and so on.. (it’s in the manual.) look at which printed best (usually around number 4 or 5 but sometimes 6.) look for the bench with its holes and square cut outs, the ball and the spikes and holes on the two 45 deg parts..

    notice also there is no support so this shows what can be done without the scaffold!!

    so when you decide which number file gave the best results, you start from the default (number 1’s exposure time) and add on a set value to your exposure for each plate you have discarded (Going off the top of my head here) and you will probably end with an exposure time that is best (I’ve not put the figures in as I’m not sure if your a mono x or and earlier longer exposure model, so it’s no good me saying 2.4sec exposure when yours may be nearer 8 for a layer on a different Printer.

    Andy
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Hi Andy,

    theres nothing in the "manual" such that it is to explain what to do with or interpret the results.
     
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    Which printer do you have? It’s at the back in the mono x?
     
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    This is the Mono SE booklet - look at page 51 I think. It explains the File and that each plate is an increment of 0.4second exposure…

    (the Mono x appears to be almost identical)

    check the website for your own machine.
     

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