Another Leek..

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  1. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Superb catch there Andy, what is a boon for my memory is look at the first capture image, the signalman (it think it's a Cyril Wood but cannot be sure, it certainly isn't Ken Faulkener) is about to pull lever 5 which is the crossover beyond the shunting bridge, he is looking out of the window and I'd say he was running the engine around its train. Now below the open sliding sash window at the end of the box we can just about see the double seat locker which I spoke about on Messenger... I'd forgotten about the fire extinguisher on the wall.
     
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    Andy_Sollis Full Member

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    Curve ball spotted by Fruit!

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    doesn’t appear to be a back window! ??
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    I was just wondering the same... there is the three compartment cupboard but on the other side of the cabin to what I though I remembered, memory plays tricks with age... at least we know what the doors look like now, and a sink in the corner which would make sense regarding the water supply and drain from the toilet lean to below. Notice board in the corner too, so the stove was located slightly left of centre then... I am sure there was a back window... we need a back view shot of the box to prove it one way ot another. Interesting as the signalman is pulling 5, 8 and 9 as in the film 28 is reversed, so they were running round using the goods loop on the down. Also of note is that lever 1 and 3 are now painted white and out of use because Leek was now the terminus, the Down Distant is fixed and obviously the Rudyard starter is now decommissioned implying the station crossover was also out of use to run round. Thus the move would be to propelling back out of the Down platform, uncoupling and then running round light engine via 28 onto the coal yard loop then 5 and 8 on the shunting slip to regain the Down line, hook up again then propel back into the Down platform before using 25 crossover to gain access onto the Up line, then finally back down into to Up platform. Heck what a faff... they would have been better off just using the Down Platform but then they had to do the shunt this way as 25 and 28 weren't fitted with Facing Point Locks enabling a loaded passenger train to pass over if leaving from the Down platform.
     
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    Later this aft I drew up the telephone. That was some work drawing up the handset. All good fun and it’s only just over 4mm high.

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    we’re still trying to work our locations. We’re sticking with the back window after finding photo evidence of a bracket and walk board, which, as Paul said, there would be no reason to have if there wasn’t a window.

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    Belfast sink now in, and the blue square is a storage box uncoloured.
     
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    Andy_Sollis Full Member

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    Now for those following this “saga” tale of recreating a signal box that went nearly 50 years ago.. it took another twist yesterday.
    My fellow signalling friend Nick, messaged me yesterday with another photo. It was one we all had, yet zoomed in highlighted some wonderful details such as a thermometer hanging up, a small gutter and drain over a door, a coat hanging up on the doorway and behind..... another window!!! :headbanger:

    Discussing with our group there was initial bemusement, confusion and maybe even denial, yet studying the photo would say, yes there was! So in just 48 hrs we had gone from 1 rear window to we’re not sure there was one as we can’t see it in a video to there being 2 windows... we still haven’t located the illusive holy grail of a photo of the rear yet, but we live in hope..

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    So in this video still there should be a window in the back corner, but all we can see is what appears to be a cupboard and Belfast sink.
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    This was the photo that set the cat amongst the pigeons. !!
    Note the thermometer (spotted by Yorkie - I couldn’t work out what it was till he said) above the hand rail.
    But look in the window of the door. Clearly a coat hanging and then behind it - the outline of a window frame!

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    Leek Station signal box is what I’d say was a minority of NSR boxes in having the LMS style walk boards on the outside. We hadn't noticed till closer inspection that in this photo if you look to the left of the porch, there is apparent another bracket and board... why if there wasn’t a window? Probably because it was pointing to there being one. A conversation with a chap who’s dad was signalman in this box confirmed he did used to look out the window and watch locos shunt to the rear.. but he was only 9 at the time.. :scratchchin: well, most of this is based on historic photos and testing folks grey cells, it was gone before I was born, or even visited the area, so I’m not going to criticise if I get the odd red herring.
    And yes, 2 photos from the other end do confirm a window at that end too!
     
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    The next step was to translate this to the model. Didn’t take me long as some parts are simply “copy and paste” (don’t you wish you could do that in modelling sometimes?)

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    Now as soon as you add in a window it means things have to “shuffle around” at around the same time 2 photo references of a similar Ford Green box showed I had the roof spreader beams in the wrong place. They were moved outwards to the correct location, which then changed where the stove could have gone. This was moved from the centre by about 2 1/4 feet. We’re still debating if the sink was in front of the window, and think that’s probably the case. A36F5C16-28CB-4E40-9B10-E141AD03A95A.jpeg

    from the north end. You can see the walk ways on both sides as is apparent in one of the old photos. B0567EDC-51AB-4054-8D2B-F3A1A44F55CC.jpeg

    So with the window in, the back takes on a completely different (and somewhat ugly) look.

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    It’s not pretty, but until we find that rear side photo, it’s the best we can come up with the memories of some fine gents and photographic research..

    (at this time I’d like to thanks Yorkie and Fruit who have been my main sounding boards on its development, offering personal memories, advice and criticism where needed along with some banter.)

    Now we have the externals mainly done, I’ll finalise the internals. Many new bits to draw up, such as a chair and complete the locker I’ve started. Then modify the cabinet already there. Some other new items missing will be a clock, also some signal wire tensioners.

    I’m sure at this point I’m still missing something off the locking shelf now we have the phones etc added.. I’ll await Mr Brooks yet again being my guide, for which I’m most grateful.

    oh, I almost forgot. A final shot of the toilet block and lamp room.
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    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Some serious effort going in to getting this right. Got to be admired. Well done Sir ... perceverence wins the day as they say.

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    Toto
     
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    Just amazing work :tophat:
     
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    This just goes to show what is possible when hi tech skilling is mixed with old fashioned low tech research, we all agree that if a feature is discernible in a photo then it was there at that point in time when the picture was taken, memory does play tricks with me and that second window was a real teaser but then that's Mr S for you... if it ain't right we ain't doing it. I'm happy with that mode of thinking as at least I believe this model will be structurally accurate and a true representation of something that was lost to time 50 years ago now. I for one shall be purchasing the O Gauge version and will be able to happily reminisce Well done Andy and well done Fruit for finding the location of some of the old artifacts from the station and constantly interrogating the researth material. Well done chaps.:tophat::tophat::tophat::tophat::tophat::tophat:
     
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    Couldn’t have done it without you Paul!
    It’s your knowledge of many of the other bits, such and lever colours/functions, signalling and even daft things such as how big a window pane of glass was all goes a long way to making a model look correct, even if it’s still not 100% perfect.
     
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    Thanks Toto.
     
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    Many thanks Kimbo!
     
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    I like the thumbs up like button but seriously, we need a wow button for these topics too!!!!!!!!!!
    Fantastic work, both of you :tophat::tophat::tophat::tophat::tophat:

    Pete.
     
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    Cheers Pete.:thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    Last night after the kids had gone to bed I sat.. for ages I’ve been trying to get artwork (such as jpegs or Bitmaps) to import but it appears it’s just not possible.
    I wanted to add that bit of detail again for the computer that you just don’t see again. Starting from scratch, I wanted to add the dials and needles for the absolute block instrument. As can be seen, it looks a little bare with just the white panel. (Ignore the Bardic lamp, that’s just for fun and didn’t make Leek as far as we know)

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    I’m quite pleased with this. (It’s behind glass too to give the shine) and I even put the name of the box to which it refers.

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    I also decided to pull a few levers (but apparently I need to pull some more!) 5E6566D7-17AD-4256-B90A-021BCBC74888.jpeg

    I need to remove one of the phones.
    And that’s you up to date. It’s nearly time to start “packaging” the items up ready for printing. It’s been a really fun project to do, to research and also learn, I’m still learning!!
    There may be a bit more to add to the story prior to the model arriving, if so, I’ll keep you all posted!
     
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    Superb conclusion Mr S... this project has been very satisfying being a part of the research team. I look forward to the model in finished sale form now.
     
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    Still plenty on the to do list, especially with the O gauge box details.

    Would there have been a cast private sign on the door?

    Also need to finalise the shelf. Some confusion now over those black box repeaters. (As to how many are needed).
     
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    Well, I’ve had one reply I wanted, which was from a signalman who worked nearby boxes to Leek and is very knowledgable on the subject (and still in the trade).

    He has confirmed I had too many track circuit dials and also that instead of the two towers of light repeaters, I only needed one (but double stacked) at the left hand side.
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    So we have gone from this...

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    to this!
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    I’m quite liking this cross section box. It’s great for display of how it all looked! (This was taken pre the edit of the right hand items being removed!)

    now working on a track layout board for the back of the box.. now that may take some doing!

    then it’s back to moving the other fixtures and fittings.

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    andy
     
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    I couldn't see one in any of the photos... I think only boxes like Pipe Gate, Norton in Hales, Cheddleton, Rushton and Alton Towers which were all located near or on platforms accessed by the public would have had a cast private sign fitted to the door.
     
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    Ok. I was thinking of one for the O gauge model but will leave it off.
     

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