Can a class 119 be built in 00 by cut and shut on Lima models?r

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  1. Tallpaul70

    Tallpaul70 Full Member

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    Hi All,

    I am thinking about the possibilities of forming Class 119 DMU DMS and DMBS by cut and shut on a Mk1 coach with a Lima 117 drivers cab.

    I have not got as far as checking drawings or any serious work on this.

    I thought it sensible to try to avoid reinventing the wheel by asking the Forum for help and assistance.

    So if anyone has built these units, not necessarily by the method outlined above, I would appreciate your help.

    Many thanks
    Paul
     
  2. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    Hi Paul.
    I can't speak for the Class 119 as I'm converting a Class 117 presently and my knowledge of these DMU's is thin to say the least, but SR Man will likely be able to give you lots more info on this when He see's this thread. If you have a look on the "Silver Fox Models" website, they do conversion kits for a number of DMU's/EMU's (which is where I got my conversion kit from) so they may well do one for your proposed conversion. Sorry I can't help further on this.
    Keith.
     
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    Hi Paul.

    The 119s had a somewhat flatter profile than the 117s, but I think overlays on a 117 would be a better way to go than using mark 1 coaches. I have a class 120 done with Craftsman brass overlays on a Lima 117 set, and I know Craftsman used the same side etches and inner ends for their 119 as well (I have a second class 120 kit but that will be done as a 119). The Craftsman instructions cover both classes.

    As Keith suggested, Silver Fox also do a kit using thin overlays for a 119. Mark 1s don't really have the correct side profile either, and their windows are too large to provide an accurate representation of the 119 windows.

    Having said that, I am currently doing a class 123 using Silver Fox parts with Bachmann mark 1 coaches, accepting that the side profile and window sizes are not correct for the 123. However, the two centre coaches on these units had the same window layout and internal arrangements as their mark 1 equivalents (for a TSO and CK), so I am willing to accept the compromise on accuracy and accept that if I don't want to do a whole lot of extra work, the unit will look closely like a class 123 when running in service on my layout.

    I am attaching a recent photo of the 120 so you can assess for yourself the success (or otherwise) from using the Lima 117 as the basis.

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    P_20181224_131014_vHDR_On by Jeffrey Lynn, on Flickr


    p.s. I upgraded the unit a couple of years ago using a Hornby class 121 motorised chassis in place of the original Lima 117 chassis, allowing for smoother running and easy DCC conversion.
     
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    Just a late addition to the above: you may have noted I haven't cut off the footsteps on the new chassis, so it looks a little odd at present. I did do this for the original 117 chassis on conversion. I have also lost all the weathering and highlighting of the mechanical underpinnings and bogies that I did on the original chassis. Still, all in time ... :D
     
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