Class 26

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  1. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi Keith. I could do that. I need to check and see what I've got in the hope that one chassis fits the bill. I know I have the three liveries as mentioned above but dont think I have it in BR green which may be the one I need with it being the earliest livery version. I still have to check my dutch liveries yet ....... maybe lucky.
    cheers.
    toto
     
  2. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Just checked,
    Every one the same. Serves me right, I should have checked before I went. thats what happens when you jump in feet first. Looks like Hattons will be getting a visit.
    cheers
    toto
     
  3. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Problem solved ........
    Ordered one of these. i have more class 26's than I know what to do with. Come to think of it, the same can be said for 24's, 25's, 27's 33's 37's and the others.:avatar:

    Cheers
    toto
    http://www.hattons.co.uk/67069/Heljan_2608_Class_26_1_diesel_D5339_in_BR_green_with_small_yellow_panels/StockDetail.aspx
     
  4. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    With that lot, once you fit one sound decoder and get addicted, it could be a very expensive exercise! Still, practice makes perfect!!!!:avatar:
    Keith.
     
  5. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    It will be the select few I think. As much as its good to hear as it lets your mind wander a bit ....... its also good to switch off.:avatar:
    cheers
    toto
     
  6. SRman

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    It looks like all of Tom's 26s are the refurbished versions with air compressors and storage tanks replacing boiler water tanks.

    Tom: you could try a pair of sugar cube speakers in the single remaining fuel tank. It won't be quite as good as a large, bass reflex or bass enhanced speaker, but the sugar cubes can give quite decent sound.
     
  7. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi SRman,
    problem resolved :avatar:....... three posts up there is a link to my latest addition to the fleet. 1 Class 26 in BR green / small yellow ends ............. with twin tanks.:thumbs:
    the show must go on.:avatar:
    cheers
    toto
     
  8. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    And the others are getting what ? :avatar:

    I could have saved you money, and let you store your sound chip and speaker assembly on my loco - I promise to look after it :giggle:

    Paul
     
  9. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    :scratchchin:.............. I wouldn't want to put you out........ nice try though. :avatar:
     
  10. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    The models you currently have (racoons) are a Class 26/3, the one you purchased is a 26/1 ! Now, if you would like to rid your self of a Class 26/3.... ;);)

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  11. SRman

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    I hope you don't mind me hijacking the thread again, but here is a video I made of one of the Howes fitted Heljan class 33s, 33/1 D6520, double heading with Howes fitted Bachmann class 24 D5011. Both have ESU LokSound v. 3.5 decoders with two 100 ohm speakers fitted insideeach loco, wired in parallel.

    The two locomotives were not speed matched, so are slightly out of synch with each other, which, to me, seems to enhance the effect slightly.

    They are hauling a set of Dapol 'silver bullet' china clay wagons, which are really too modern for the green livery on the 24, and don't match the pre-TOPS numbering of the 33, and may be a bit of a stretch even for the blue livery, but the vid was really intended to demonstrate the sounds and controllability.

    The aspect ratio of the video has not converted properly so looks slightly stretched across the width; hopefully this doesn't detract too much from the overall experience.

     
  12. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Thank you very much kind Sir. No hijacking there. Its what the thread is for. I appreciate you going to the effort of posting these videos up. It gives everyone a little idea of what they can expect from the various chips.
    I like the throaty gurgle that was coming from the 33. the change in tone as the engine is laiden with more effort. Really sound good.
    :thumbs:

    cheers
    toto
     
  13. SRman

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    Yes. :)

    While I still like the Howes sounds for their quality and their responsiveness to the throttle, I think legomanbiffo has eclipsed them slightly for the depth of the sound. I'm not sure if Bryan (from Howes) has updated the 33 or 24 sounds since i got those ones, but the 33, in particular, was done a good many years ago now, being one of the first three sound conversions I did (the other two were also Heljan locos, a Hymek and a class 47).

    I still find the Howes ones more than acceptable, with the proviso that better speakers also improve the results ... but that applies to most sound projects from all of the different sources.
     
  14. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    I have a few Heljan class 47's . A listen to one of them would be good as well.

    Also a bit of info as to the speaker installation. I'm guessing that it would be in the fuel tanks again like most.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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    With the Howes class 33s (I did 33/1 D6520 and 33/2 6591), I put a standard ESU 100 ohm 23mm round speaker sealed properly in the fuel tanks, and a second 100 ohm 23mm round speaker diagonally above one of the bogie towers, pushed back against the cab bulkhead. The latter speaker sound chamber had to be considerably filed down to squeeze it all in. I drill a series of holes in the bottom of the fuel tanks to let the sound out.

    The upshot is that the two identical speakers have slightly different characteristics because of the different chamber depths and different locations and angles, which add up to quite a full sound, as you could hear in the videos.

    Volume in CV63 on both the Howes ones is usually set somewhere between 25 and 35, the latter being very loud for exhibition use (maximum volume for v. 3.5 LokSounds is 64, but with two speakers it is not recommended to go above 50 - with these two locomotives, 50 would have been ear-shatteringly loud!).
     
  16. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    It just shows how you can have the same chip but depending on the speakers or number of speakers and the way that they are installed could give a variance in the end result.

    I suppose that if you decide to go for a particular version based on listening to a particular individuals, it would pay to know the configuration of the above.

    Worth remembering to avoid potential disappointment. :thumbs:

    Thanks

    Toto
     
  17. SRman

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    I have said this elsewhere, but it probably bears repeating: I believe that DCC sound is a little bit of a black art, rather than a science (although there are strong elements of science involved!). I usually have to experiment with different speakers and configurations before I am happy with the result.

    Factor into that the realisation that sound is a different things to different people, and some people react differently to different sounds. Like art, some people love particular elements, while others loathe them.

    Now, to the class 47s. As I said earlier, the Heljan 47 was one of the first sound installations I did (Howes again), and like the 33, has two speakers in parallel, although in this case there is a bit more room inside the body which allowed me to use a larger, rectangular speaker over one of the bogie towers, pointing downwards, in addition to the 23mm round speaker in the fuel tanks.

    Once again, I quite like the Howes sound as it is responsive to the throttle and captures the turbo whistle very nicely, something all the others I have experienced seem to lack. The Howes one is not quite so strong on the bass engine sounds though ... maybe if I try a bass enhanced speaker instead of the rectangular one that would improve.

    I didn't like the original factory-fitted sound in a Bachmann class 47, so used the decoder in something else, reblown with suitable sounds. There was absolutely no turbo whistle at all, and it was not particularly responsive.

    Legomanbiffo's 47 sounds are better and really capture the deep bass thrum of the Sulzer power plant, but is a little weak on the turbo. I fitted this in a Bachmann model.

    I have a very old clip of the Heljan/Howes one, plus the more recent 'cab ride' around my layout, although this doesn't entirely do the sound justice with the loco behind he camera. You'll also briefly hear Howes DMU (Leyland) sound in the latter clip, plus even more briefly, legomanbiffo's 'thumper' DEMU sound as unit 1115 passes in the opposite direction.

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    I'm not sure if I have a video of the legomanbiffo one yet - I'll post further videos later as I either find them or film them!
     
  18. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Thank you kind Sir,
    Given the space inside the 47, it could be high up the list for a try. I have several of them mostly Heljan although there may be one Bachmann.
    I will be heading out to Glasgow for a meeting with my new Commercial Director ahead of starting my new position on Monday so I'll catch up on my return later.
    Again, thanks for going to the trouble of sharing your various sound files.
    PS ..... a trip around your layout ...... via the electronic footplate is always welcome. :thumbs:
    Cheers for now.
    Toto
     
  19. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    And here we have it ........... straight out of Postman Pats van this afternoon,
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    The doner Class 26 for me sound install which will be tackled after the class 37 / 97 is done.
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    and of course ....... the all important fuel tanks etc where the speaker shall be housed.
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    and there we have it.
    more on the above as it happens.
    cheers
    toto
     
  20. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    Very nice model Toto. I do like the thin black weather seal around the windscreens. :thumbs: Looking forward to your 'how to'.

    Cheers, Gary.
     

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