Golden Arrow models Class G16 heavy shunter.

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  1. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    There were apparently only a few of these loco's built, originally intended for shunting duties, but later had other work such as pilot/banking/empty stock movements etc, and as a class, none survived the cutters torch in the early 60's. The kit uses the Hornby 8f chassis, and I've been lucky enough to get hold of 2 chassis, so it's likely that a 'Z' class (which also uses the 8f chassis) will be a 'follow-on' build. Here's where we start.

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    After cleaning up the 'flash' from body and parts, I drilled out the holes for handrails etc.

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    You can see from the tiny green dots on the loco body in the previous pic, that there were quite a number of bubbles in the resin finish that had to be filled and sanded prior to a coat of primer.

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    As is often the case, primer painting then showed up more areas that needed a spot of filling and sanding. I was working on this model in between waiting for glue/paint to dry on the Maunsell shunter, so again while waiting for paint to dry, I turned my attention to the 8f chassis itself, which does need quite a bit of alteration to the valve gear. Here's the basic chassis, minus the 'DCC ready' circuit board and associated wiring, since I shall be wiring in the decoder to save space.

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    Another very nice model Keith
     
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    This one will be a bit more challenging than the Maunsell diesel shunter, due to the chassis hacks required, and also the dearth of good photos to work from. I have been struggling to finish the back end of mine properly because there are no clear photos of them that I can find.

    I have one photo in a book of the similar H16 rear end but even that is partially in shadow so not clear enough.
    There were four G16s and five H16s built, but they were fascinating locomotives doing mundane tasks, mostly around Feltham - hump shunting and short trip workings.

    The Zs are better covered in photo records, I think. I did have difficulty with my Z getting it to sit down properly on its chassis. It still sits a fraction too high to this day.

    I'll look forward to seeing your progress, and even improving my own G16 and Z models from your experiences and research.
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    Another great thread Keith I learn quite a bit from these thanks.

    Ian vt :thumbup::thumbup:
     
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    Now that a brut of a tank Loco
    Very nice Keith.:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    After primer had dried, it was obvious that further filling/sanding was needed, so whilst waiting for filler to harden, I set about the chassis alterations. 6mm is cut off the chassis rear, leaving the screw boss that was originally used to pivot the tender drawbar, and the new rear body support Araldited to the remaining stub. Next is the fiddly bit, as the valve gear has to be dismantled and altered as the G16 main piston rods come from the 2nd pair from the front drive wheels, whereas on the 8f, they come from the 3rd pair from the front. This involves taking out the middle 2 pairs of wheels and swapping the crankpins between wheel pairs, not too difficult, but lots of small parts so you need to be careful not to lose any bits. Once this is done and all reassembled, a quick run test with a battery proved all is ok, so on to the next alteration, which is fixing a chassis extension on the front to carry the new front bogie. This just screws on, and new bogie attaches with a screw from the underside. There is no mention in the instructions about sourcing the wheelsets for this, but luckily I had the unused new Hornby bogie I bought for the T9 when I was building that, and these wheels are perfect for the new bogie, so with all fixed in place, it was ready for DCC conversion. Here's what the unaltered 8f chassis looks like.

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    So now you can compare the 'before' pic with what the now much modified chassis looks like after valve gear alterations and a DCC conversion. It's quite a bit longer due to the front chassis extension to support the new front bogie, but this balances out the chassis somewhat.

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    Just dropping the body onto the chassis for a test fit here, and all looks good, although in some respects it's a bit reminiscent of early Hornby/Triang loco's inasmuch as the motor is noticeably visible in the cab area, but I guess when the design uses an RTR chassis, it's about as near as you can get. It does, as Chris says, look a brute of a loco, and the supplied info says these loco's weighed in at 95 tons(!), could handle 850 ton trains, but took half a mile to stop from 20mph.

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    After a couple of coats of 'Satin Black' and application of the BR logo and numbers, the job will be on 'hold' for a few days whilst I await delivery of whistle/safety valves/buffers etc from Markits, and smokebox numberplate from Fox Transfers. This is what it looks like so far.

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    Glazing of the windows has been done with ex-packaging cellophane, some coal added to the bunker, and prior to finish coat paint, handrails and knobs. As I have a second 8f chassis to hand, I've just placed another order with "Golden Arrow Models" for one of their "Z" Class body kits, so that will follow in due course.
     
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    Wow ..... boy that was fast

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    At my age Paul (70) and retired, you might think I'd have lots of spare time, but by the time I've had a modest 'social life', in between being a walking group leader and juggling the "can you just?" little jobs from Son and Daughter plus requests (or demands) from SWMBO, I have to make the most of my modelling time, which is often in short intensive bursts. This results in nothing much happening for several days, then maybe a day or day and a half of modelling time. That's fine, but if for example, I need to do any 'rattle can' spray painting, I'm then dependant on weather too, so things don't always progress in the way I'd like, but I'm getting there!
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    Looking good Keith whichever way you do it! :thumbup::thumbup:
     
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    That was incredibly quick, Keith. Looking really good too.

    I know there were only four of these locos built, but we have both chosen the same running number for our models!

    SNAP!

    [​IMG]G16 30495 with BR Numbers and Crests - 1 by Jeffrey Lynn, on Flickr


    [Whisper] OK, let's see if Keith numbers his Z as 30955 now!


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    Great work Keith. It's a shame that the castings need so much work, I built two Crosti models using their mouldings and had exactly the same problems when adding the primer it showed up all the imperfections. Looks good now and I'm sure the black paint job plus weathering helps.
    Look forward to seeing the z class build :thumbs: Kim
     
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    I like the Golden Arrow kits but they are basic 'starters' only; they still require a fair bit of input from the modeller. Even with m G16 pictured above, I have spotted a couple of small gouges on the top edge of the tanks that I missed with the filler..
     
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    Something very different and in double quick time too
    Looks great Keith:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

    The Z class will be finished and running by next weekend at this pace :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
     

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