Thanks for the info Jim... Some of the modern tension locks as supplied with fine little wagons can be quite delicate ( useless ) in my opinion. If you remove the hook for whatever reason, once it goes back on, it`s likely to fall off randomly because it has lost it`s grip on it`s axle. This is not the case with Bachmann couplings I might add, they tend to be more robust. There are also variations in thickness and length in some of the new offerings, so obviously UK manufacturers have not got together yet and agreed on a standard......most frustrating. Something I should add for the benefit of all........Dapol do a very fine metal buffer for their wagons......in some cases, not all, but in some cases these are a very loose fit in the housing and I would suggest you check them. If they are loose... a drop of glue on the shaft and then refit should fix the problem. I am currently still trying to find a loose buffer that has fallen off somewhere on the railway........don`t like my chances of finding it..... Gormo
Funny you should mention this. a few years ago I bought a Heljan 07 on the BIS (British Industrial Sand) white livery as it had been when working at Oakamoor on our line in Staffordshire. I don’t think I’d had it many days when I took it to show a mate at his house and we put it on his exhibition layout and went to connect it to some stock and… well, it couldn’t. There was a height difference of around 4mm, so one hook was too low and struck the loop of the opposing wagon and vice versa the wagons hook was too high and sat over the 07’s. To get around it, we took the hooks off the 07 and turned the nem coupling upside down in the pocket, it seemed to have a step on it. Goodness knows why. I think I have since changed it for some spares. (It also had the added issue where you had to push through the buffer beam to get to the pocket, but because of how it sat behind the buffer beam, you couldn’t stop the pocket swinging as you tried to push the prongs in. Why it needed to swing also was a question as the tension lock couldn’t swing anyway when plugged in to the nem pocket as the buffer beam held it central. ?? it was an oddity !
It`s hard to follow their logic Andy, The manufacturers obviously don`t run their own trains...... Gormo
No, not an oddity, although my 07s were okay, the couplings on my two Heljan Tangos would not couple with anything either, I swapped them for another brand, whether it was to swap straight for cranked or vice-versa I can't remember now, but that fixed them. But then IMO Heljan build quality rated as the lowest for contemporary models, perhaps your 07 and my Heljans weren't assembled properly, a pity because they made some locos I would have bought, in the end I just re-worked my elderly Limas into sound DCC fitted locos. Jim
They certainly don't seem to test unfitted 'DCC ready' locos with decoders, had a 'blast' with a Heljan rail bus and a Sentinel Jim
I`ve been experimenting today with colouring the Copper wire I use for my couplings. Painting them has become a bit of an issue as some of them are getting stuck and need to be freed up. So far I am at stage one which is giving reasonable results, and that involves using White Vinegar to discolour the Copper. The Copper is not placed in the Vinegar but rather, suspended above it in a sealed bottle. After an hour or two, the Copper takes on a Bronze / Steel Grey appearance ( oxidization ) which is quite appealing. If you leave it too long it will go Green. The second method ,yet to be tried, involves using Liver of Sulphur. It comes as a Gel and has good shelf life and is stable. A few drops of the Gel can be added to warm water, and that will create a solution that will Blacken the Copper almost immediately. It`s a technique used in jewellery making to give an aged patina. Usually most of the Black is removed just leaving residue in grooves and behind raised areas etc., however for my purposes, I would leave it Black. If I decide to try the Liver of Sulphur, I will have to order it in, so for the moment I`ll see how the Vinegar method plays out once the couplings have had some use. Gormo
I had some spare time this afternoon and decided to have a crack at converting an old Triang Horse Box. These Horse Boxes run well enough on code 100 track, and I`ve acquired a handful of these to be used on the railway. I also have a couple of Lima versions. The old tension locks have a brass rivet holding the coupling via a plastic post into the middle hole of the coupling. I decided to take the body off to allow better access to the rivet and found that the previous owner had glued the body to the chassis. I don`t know why people do this, all the fixing lugs are intact and therefore glue is not necessary. Anyway I managed to remove the body by just easing it apart from the chassis slowly. I also cleanly removed the plastic supporting posts for the old couplings, which improves the appearance considerably. An identical original Horse Box to the right below, with large tension lock still intact, and the conversion to the left. These old wagons were built to last a lifetime of use and abuse. Both of these Horse Boxes had no glazing, so whilst the body ( and roof ) was off, I fitted some clear sheeting over the window / door apertures on the first conversion. So they sit a bit high, as old stock usually does, but they will blend into a mixed goods train without much trouble. They are also used to form a train for race days ( Newmarket ) with a coach or two in tow. So that`s the latest folks.........more as it happens. Gormo
The UK manufacturers are lousy in the regards to couplings. As you know Gormo, I have harked on many times about the manufacturers getting it right when it comes to their NEM couplings. Either they differ in height or they become very sloppy and the couplers sag. I'm glad the US manufacturers have stringent standards to comply by. All manufacturers have a standardised coupling height, set by the NMRA and all comply with the Kadee Coupler Height Gauge. Even the Aussie manufacturers get it right ! Can it really be that hard for the UK manufacturers ?? Cheers, Gary.
Naught wrong with the 07 other than the coupling.. apart from the pink handrails. but i worked out why that was done - turned out they had based the model on a time the real loco was laid up awaiting scrap and the white handrails had seen so much use that the white had worn off to the pink/red primer underneath, so they modelled it as such. One day I’ll repaint mine!
P.S. Hornby may be part/mainly UK, but two of the biggest selling brands here which are guilty of sloppy NEMs are Bachmann (USA/Europe) and Heljan (Danish), so if they cannot be bothered to ship US specification parts to us who will Perhaps they ship their seconds to the UK Jim
Well I`ve had a bit of a look at it Jim and it seems American focused to me, even though they seem to welcome modellers from any arena, they seem to have a narrow view of what British modellers actually model. Anyhow......back to the shed. Gormo
The NMRA is not 100% American focused at all. If you simply google NMRA, it will take you to the American website, but if you google NMRA British Region, you will get a very different looking page. The NMRA is in fact all over the world ! There is a British Region (https://www.nmrabr.org.uk/), which Jim eluded too. In fact, the NMRA President is Gordy Robinson, who happens to be a Scot ! Just take a look at the cover of the NMRA British Region magazine 'RoundHouse' and you will see that it is not all American eccentric. For example, in Australia alone, we have over 900 members in and I'd say 1/3 of them model Australian, 1/3 model North American and the last 1/3 would model anything in between from narrow gauge to live steam. Just got to take a look at the photo gallery on the Australasian Region website (https://nmra.org.au/photo-gallery/) to see this ! Cheers, Gary.
G`day Gary, I never suggested that the BR members were 100% American focused but rather just American focused. An extract from their website, which I did look at, .... Quote...." While many of us NMRA British Region members do indeed have US and North American railways as our prime or only modelling interest, recognise that some of our members model non-US prototypes or are involved with non-US layouts " Further on I also found this .....what I call a narrow view. Quote.... "I’ve never seen a UK prototype layout that operates using any sort of scheme other than a timetable, and I’ve certainly never seen one where the freight operations had the type of prototypical basis that a car-card regime generates." Also further on in the article. Quote...."Most UK layouts, even those in steam days, model passenger operations and hardly touch on freight, let alone show how the railway handled freight – which was, right up until around 1970, the predominant traffic carried, and I’d suggest much more interesting to model than passenger operations. When did you last see a UK model railway that wasn’t centred around passenger traffic, and when did you last see a US prototype layout that majored on it? Indeed, when did you last see a US prototype layout with any more passenger facilities than a small depot building? " So the above quotes to me seem a narrow view of things. And regarding the tension lock coupling standards, it seems the British version of the NMRA has been going since 1946 and yet has not had any success bringing about change to the system by applying pressure to the manufacturers. I don`t know if they have actually tried to bring about change, but as they seem to want to follow the principles of the parent American association, you would think they would have tried at least. The British November issue of the Roundhouse has all American locos on the cover. Gormo
Gormo, I know you never suggested that the BR members were 100% American focused, but what I'm getting across is that the NMRA is not all American focused. Yes, the NMRA is an American platform, and they do a great job of promoting the their own interest, but at the same time, the Regional or local NMRA Divisions do what is best for their own members. Unfortunately the Americans are the ones who are 'narrowly minded' on what happens outside the USA... You don't have to be an expert to see that ! I have made several comments about the work that Boomer does (Boomer Diorama - YouTube) and the fact that what he is doing is what the British have been doing all along, for 50+ years. I don't want to sound anti American, but they do need to look beyond their shores for 'how to' modelling inspiration. It has taken the Americans a long time to adopt the tried and tested planks, switching/shunting, shelf layout approach to modelling. Right now, that format of modelling is going gangbusters in the US. Cheers, Gary.