Highland Railway Drummond 6 wheel coach

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  1. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi, and firstly an apology for being AWOL for so long.

    Over the last 18 to 24 months I've been fully occupied with Scottish Wagon Works and family issues.
    John (also of SWW) pointed out that over the last while, although I've been busy I have very little to show for it (there are many folks who have our kits for which we are very grateful for their support), I've just not had the time to build them for me. Something John has vowed will change this year.

    So this one one is a personal project, HR Drummond 6 wheel coaches.

    Three variations Dia 22 6 compartment full 3rd. and Dia 23 Composites (with and without luggage compartment).

    Initially built with panelled sides later versions were matchboard. I'm starting with the matchboard versions.

    Couple of issues to deal with, these are too big for my Saturn 4 ultra printers to be printed in one piece. They will fit on the Anycubic 3 Max, but it is currently mothballed as the Sat4's print far quicker with finer detail, Elegoo have been threatening a new version of the Jupiter (Max 3 equivalent) with a higher resolution screen for over a year. The next issue is the wheels / suspention. The wheel base is long 23ft between the front and rear axles, and the middle axle will need to be able to move side to side to allow for cornering. My normal method of 3D printing the axle guards will not be able to accommodate the movement. For a test I've purchased a set of Slaters and Connoisseur 6 wheel etchings.

    I will be making the seats as drop-in sections so that the interiors can be painted, and painted seated sections complete with figures can be added after. Also compartment lighting to be fitted as well.

    That should be enough to complicate things to start with.

    Dia 22 6 compartment 3rd

    I started by sketching a 3rd class section in Fusion

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    Then added the ends

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    And the fun begins - extruding all the bits to create the side

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    And then the roof

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    The roof needs handrails, vents and lighting added. Lighting can either be oil lamps or gas lights.
    I need to find out the colour temp of gas lighting as I seem to remember during the power cuts of the 70's my uncle had a gas tilley lamp and that was very bright and daylight in colour. This will effect the LEDs I use for lighting.

    Next up the underframe.

    Sketch made and the side frame made

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    The prototype has a lower and upper footboards :facepalm:

    I now make the upper footboard part of the underframe, with a separate lower footboad secured using staples.

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    To be continued .........
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    and now the springs ........

    These tend to be a bit of a compromise, being able to show the leafs on the print and getting the correct number of leafs.

    Started on the middle leaf sprint first which has a J hanger to support the leaf springs.

    Another sketch to start with

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    The start playing until it looks like this

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    The mount for the outer axles is different

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    Slowly looking the part

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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Almost up to date.
    Ends and sides mirrored to form the body, and partitions added to from the basic structure.

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    I did a test print with the model split between partition 3 & 4 before adding underframes and additional detail.
    Also added some registration pegs

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    First off I'm happy with the matchboard effect - fillet on each board was 0.15mm and has printed out ok.
    However the end thickness was insufficient to maintain shape - it was only 0.5mm thick when the partition was split in half, and was too narrow for decent supports, which I guessed.

    The centre partition was increased to 2 mm thick, with the addition of 2 x 0.8mm boles vertically through the middle. If printed whole, these will print out at approx 0.6 to 0.7 mm, and will be used to carry solid core wire for the lighting circuits.

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    Notches were also cut in the top of each partition to support bus wires for each compartments LED.

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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    I thought to ask if the carriages had a tumblehome, do you remember my 3 ply method of creating them there's a full rundown of how to do it somewhere back through these pages. I will dig it out if you are interested. It uses something like the way Rob builds up layers using his shadow cutter.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Now some of the smaller details

    Door handles

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    These will be separate items, the model used to cut the hole in the body side

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    Next up was the end steps and emergency stop brackets

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    The lower steps follow the tumblehome

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    so had to be profiled to suit

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    So that's us up to date, started on the 17th of Feb with a bit of time whenever to do a bit of progress.

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    Now to test build the Slaters and Connoisseur Axleguard / W iron assemblies and see if they fit.
    Paul
     

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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Mossy

    For the tumblehomes I used profile cutters - one set for the ends and another for the sides.

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    The fun bit is with matchboard sides I had to keep each plank as a separate item until it had been profiled, then had a fillet applied (0.15mm) before I could join them together.
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    On these sides the paneling was on the flat sides so could be just extruded from the sketch.
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    I also made a cutter for each end from the full cutter to be able to make the lower end steps.
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    Of course to get the full step, a copy was made, and the lower section removed using the extrude command.
    Then the profile cutter cut the correct shape for the base.
    This was then joined back to the copies upper section and the bolt head positions adusted to look right.

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    Paul.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Oh - also forgot to mention the 40 x 24 ish mm recesses in the inside if the panels

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    This is to accommodate 40 x 24 Microscope cover slips, although these may be a little tight on the center panel due to the thicker partition.

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    A really interesting posting Paul. Fortunatly the NER didn't really go in for match board to any great extent. But I will make a note of of this thread just in case.
     
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    But they certainly did have some. I have just sent you a drawing that I gathered along the way. I am pretty sure that it originated in one of the magazines but as I only got the pages with the drawing on in amongst some other info I cannot be sure.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Thanks Rob

    I think there's an article and more drawings. Off the top of my head it's somewhere in the range Express 100-150, might be earlier.

    I have all the drawings of the low arcs and the original article retype into a word document if you would like them. Remarkably almost all the 3rds are a standard width, all the 1st's are a standard width and where there's a brake element it simply fills the remainder of a standard 49ft chassis
     
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    Yes please.
     

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