Leek station- an O Gauge project

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  1. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    The die is cast and baseboard construction has started this afternoon, the first couple of boards and a few 100mm (depth) lengths ready to make up laminated cross bearers. Each board is 36 inches wide and 36 inches along the short inner edge, the outer edge is 42 inches long and the scenery pieces will overhang this forming the curvatures and ground elevations. All will be revealed as progress gets underway.


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  2. jakesdad13

    jakesdad13 Staff Member Moderator

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    This is going to be a very impressive erection mate! If you are intending it for exhibition use, you may find the size limits it to the bigger size events. Notwithstanding that you will be needing some operators to help with it, I will put my hand up now! For joining the boards I'd recommend using pattern makers dowels for alignment, I've used them for the first time on my latest layout, can't believe I've not used them before! If you need a hand with anything, give us a shout, I'm not that far away.

    Cheers, Pete.
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Cheers Pete, you are more than welcome to be part of an ops team or even just call up to have a play once there is something up and running in the garden... remembering that this is only a dry day set up. Dundee and I have been discussing pattern makers alignment dowels which is what will be used on this project. This evening I've been hunting around the workshop looking for suitable offcuts to make a jig which will allow me to pre bore all the drill holes needed.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Paul

    The jig I made up for my nominal 21" baseboards for use with the traversers can be found here

    I made it from 18mm MDF and some offcuts of 9mm packing ply.

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    and Patternmakers dowels

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    Fitting the dowels etc was as follows

    The flange thickness is 3mm

    I clamped the jig in place, and used the router with the 30mm profile collar attached.

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    First up I mounted the 8mm dia straight cutter and plunged a hole in each location.

    Then swapped the 8mm bit for a 25mm bit, and rebated a 3mm deep hole.

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    Between the 18mm thick MDF of the jig and double thickness of ply of the end panel the 8mm bit couldn't get all the way through, so an 8mm drill finished the job off.

    Time to fit the dowels

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    Simples

    Paul
     
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    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    quite understand that Paul.

    If it’s as good as Elton, this will be a belter!!
     
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  6. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Had a slight change of plan to the baseboard design which I think will work better and mean less constructional work, basically from being in discussion with Dundee I need to buy a 25.4mm two flute bottom edge cutting bit for my router... this is to countersink a clean hole to accept the Pattern Makers dowels which will align the respective board sections together neatly, this piece of kit is not cheap so I need to make full use of it... this bit will also make a 25mm wide trench along a face side or make a half housing joint. With this in mind instead of making the end bearers out of three layers of 5.5mm ply (which is a lot of work) I changed the size of the end pieces to 12mm ply with inside noggins fitted for additional support, so once the baseboard segments are coupled together the width across the two end beams becomes 25mm and this fits nicely into making a 25mm rebate trench on the top of the leg supports. Anyway cutting various length this morning having made up a makeshift work table from two trestles and a set of ladders.


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  7. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    So before I start a production line of making I thought it best to make just one of the segments to prove the design, this afternoon I fabricated the centre cross brace from a lamination of 6mm ply and 2 x 1 PSE noggins which I can then screw the baseboard top down into without bursting the ply and causing distortion. There's a bit of end grain planing on the brace pieces to do tomorrow because of the geometrical trapezium shape of the baseboard but once done I shall glue the segment together with Cascamite resin wood glue. Anyway this picture gives an idea of what the plan is.


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  8. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    I trust you have measured up the track plan so no point motors are aligned with the cross bracing underneath the baseboards and that the joins in the baseboards are not under points. This was a crucial part in my track design for River Dee Meats, not having points bridge a baseboard join as my boards were 5' in length. ;)

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Hi Gary, The crossover road to watch out for is situated under the main road bridge and the baseboard join will coincide between the both points midway between their blunt noses (frogs) with luck. The other set of points which consist of a B8 B6 tandem turnout and another crossover will have to have a one off special long baseboard to accommodate everything comfortably. Watched your vid last night BTW looked like a nice smooth change over. :tophat::tophat::thumbup:
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    The first of six segment baseboards has been assembled today, I have some addition ply lamination pieces to build on the sides as yet and the corner gussets but in the main this is done... just needs flat sanding on the edges and corners and where some filler has been added.


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    And a nice level top too...


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    Here is the trapezium shape which will give us the curve through the station when all the others are put together, the track will be placed directly onto the baseboards and the scenery and decoration will be plug in elements. I'm also going to add some small legs made from micro bore pipe into each underside corner... this will allow each segment to make up into a stacking column saving space on storage. Anyway another five of these to make then start work on making the jig which will locate hole positions for the dowels and connections.


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    jakesdad13 Staff Member Moderator

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    When I built the base boards for my new layout I used 9mm ply and rather than screwing and gluing I ran pva along the upper edge of the sides and used panel pins to fix the tops down, its the glue that holds it all together and the pins fix it in place until the glue drys.

    Pete.
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    In the main Pete these panels are glued on edges and panel pins tacked in, the countersunk screws you can see are in the corners and four on the centre brace to pull everything up square and tight... this gave me the start point to get an instant firm level fix. I did consider leaving this part out but decided that as there may well be a lot of building up and taking down involved the additional frame strength would be a good idea.
     
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    Nice work on those baseboards so far Yorkie. They do look reasonably light, but at the same time, very strong. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Cheers Gary, I've started making component pieces for the other five boards now working off a common template, so hopefully they will all be the same. I've also made some modifications for the production run ones from the original prototype unit but in the main these will have good strength... its shaping up to definitely not be a five minute job.:facepalm:
     
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    Here is the first of five production type cross brace pieces which will fit underneath the baseboards in the middle and be jointed with two smaller longitudinal pieces to make a level top, there is another piece clamped up in the workshop with glue setting overnight. This one differs slightly from the prototype in as much as I'm using 12 mm ply offcuts as laminating spacers instead of the redwood PSE. I'll finish the final three tomorrow and in the week then make up the end braces.


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  16. Chris Doroszenko

    Chris Doroszenko Lost in the spare room Full Member

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    I feel this is going to one incredible layout mate...lots of planning seems almost like the real process.
    Cheers for sharing.
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Thanks Chris, I suspect I may have bitten off a tad more than I can comfortably chew... but yes hopefully it will all be worthwhile... well Toto, Dundee Paul and Pete all think so.:lol:
     
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    :avatar::avatar: Having seen your other scenic efforts, nah… it just may take longer time wise.

    Hope to get up soon!
     
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    Chris Doroszenko Lost in the spare room Full Member

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    Well I looked at the date mark on my first photo the other day and it was tagged 03/2011...seems I had lost the map that gets me into the spare room:lol:...looks like it takes as long as it takes.:(
     
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    So the next item that had been discussed that @York Paul needed for the station for me to create from nowhere are the two water columns. They both appear to have an LNWR origin for some reason (we wonder if the NSR bought them in?) the north end being pretty much standard and the south bound one being rather unique to this area (although a similar one exited about 6 miles down the line at Froghall).

    As you can see from the NSRC photo below, it’s platform based but hung out over to the 6ft… I can’t for the life of me see why?
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    As you can also see, the “bag” was suspended and pulled up clear of a loco when not being used.

    now, I couldn’t find any dimensions on line etc for any column remotely similar, so I have to admit, all I had to go on was Yorkie telling me he thought it would be a scale 70mm in 7mm, so if it’s wrong… :facepalm:

    anyway, on to the drawing. We began with the basic shape, 7050C578-E569-4D01-9BE9-8B46B0436CC1.jpeg
    But Yorkie wasn’t convinced that I had got the taper correct.. he was correct and so the next day I set to making amends.
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    the blue area shows the new outside taper rather than parallel sided. D3127FE1-3C63-4773-B0F0-6CB53CE0ABB1.jpeg
    This shows the new outline with the green highlighting the first design. I have to say, I was wrong and made a much better version.

    So once we were happy with that, I moved on to the detail.. and yes the devil is in it.!!
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    starting at the head and working on the arch were the next stages. Making the brackets and the bolts was an interesting task. ADDDB0E9-9737-487C-812B-E9C93628380F.png
    Once I was happy that it was looking something like…as this was the only other photo we could
    Source for the other side. Thankfully it shows most of the detail needed. C2B53FB7-4180-4B7F-9B58-5F5F8A76B9F5.jpeg
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    and so, there we have it. There was a little more work to complete, but I didn’t screen shot that. So it was on to printing…
     

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