NSR coaches

Discussion in 'Kits, Kit bashes & Scratch builds' started by oldknotty, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. oldknotty

    oldknotty Full Member

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    79
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2018
    Are there any kits or RTR models of NSR coaches that are available , or is it possible to convert an existing RTR coach to fit the job like maybe the old Hornby four wheelers ??
    Thanks oldknotty
     
  2. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Full Member

    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    866
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018
    There is a guy who does 3D printed ones on Shapeways 5D Models. He’s part of the team recreating the real ones...

    There are some others, but can’t recall who. Maybe @York Paul can help here? Although OO is not his scale.
     
  3. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Full Member

    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    866
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018
    I’ve also seen NSR Bell 2 in recent days in a number of scales, but it’s a body only so you then need to make your own chassis.
     
  4. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    2,691
    Likes Received:
    1,819
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2017
    I can only speak for O Gauge really, I know MM1 do an NSR three plank open wagon, I have seen two versions on six wheel milk vans... cannpt remember who but I'll post here when I do, Taff Vale do an NSR M Class and the later Adams New M 4-4-0, I'm sure someone did a New L because I've seen it reported in the Study Group but I think that kit has now been withdrawn. As for coaches well I think that depends upon how good your scratch building skills are, as I say I don't do OO Gauge but I certainly would recommend getting hold of some NSR drawings before starting on an old Hornby four wheeled coach ... if only to confirm that it is even a suitable shape to work with.
     
    oldknotty and Andy_Sollis like this.
  5. jakesdad13

    jakesdad13 Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    3,118
    Likes Received:
    699
    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2015
    Worsley Works make some coach sides and ends in 4mm scale for 6 wheel coaches.
    If you go in Google images and type in North Staffordshire railway 4 wheel coaches there are some excellent photos and links to other sites. Thats how I found the Worsley Works site. There may be others. Plus you can compare the Hornby 4 wheel coaches, also Ratio make some GWR 4 wheel coach kits it might be worth while comparing those too.

    Cheer's, Pete.
     
    oldknotty and Andy_Sollis like this.
  6. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Full Member

    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    866
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018
    Martin, have you not asked john Sherratt? Sure he would be able to advise.
     
    oldknotty likes this.
  7. oldknotty

    oldknotty Full Member

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    79
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2018
    Oh yeah I have talked to John a lot lately :)
     
    Andy_Sollis likes this.
  8. oldknotty

    oldknotty Full Member

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    79
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2018
    I will certainly look into that talk you Pete :)
    Martin
     
    jakesdad13 likes this.
  9. oldknotty

    oldknotty Full Member

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    79
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2018
    York Paul , living here in the States I have to work with what i can get my hands on easily and the Hornby forum wheel coaches were a rare find at the train show :) I would love to have some proper coaches for my layout as it is based on Cheddleton anyway but I need to do some searching .By the way my scratch building is pretty good i think :) ??
    Martin
     
  10. oldknotty

    oldknotty Full Member

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    79
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2018
    I Have decided to stick with my original Hornby four wheeled coaches and redo them in a bit more detail . What i need to know is what exactly was the livery of these coaches .In the pictures it looks to be a rather brownish color with white accents and white roof ?? I thought that the NSR livery was a deep Maroon am I wrong here or what ?? If someone can tell me the color or even how to mix it I would be most grateful :)
    Thanks oldknotty
     
    York Paul and Andy_Sollis like this.
  11. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Full Member

    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    866
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018
  12. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    2,691
    Likes Received:
    1,819
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2017
    Quintessentially the Knotty (North Staffordshire Railway) is known for it's livery of Madder Lake, however in the days when Longbottom was Superintendent (1882- 1902) the Companies locos were painted a deep brown which was called Victoria Brown and lining out was in black and white, the rolling stock to a certain degree loosely followed an LNWR style of Deep Brown, Victoria Brown and Off white, coach lining included some red embellishments around door mouldings. Now everything changed when John Adams replaced Longbottom in 1902 as a new colour of Rose Madder Lake was introduced forming part of a general modernisation plan, hence locos such as the L Class and M Class built under Longbottom were redesigned by Adams as New L and New M with stylish curved roof cabs (following GNR practice) and bunkers which lost their traditional outward top edge flaring, gone also was the then antiquated squat loco cabs of Mid Victorian times. So to the public this was a great leap forward as the striking new deep red colour lined with straw and edged in vermilion was something quite spectacular to be seen, coaching stock was also treated likewise with the advent of new coaching stock built in the carriage works at Stoke. Now Adams was replaced in 1915 by John Hookham (who had apprenticed under Nigel Gresley) and this final era saw an improved version of Rose Madder Lake introduced, this new colour was slightly lighter in tone and contained less bluish red tint (artists will know what I mean), often this colour is referred to simply as just Madder Lake and to differentiate between the later modified colour is known as Improved Madder Lake. This colour must have shone like a polished jewel in sunlight under the drab and soot laden backdrop of the Potteries.

    Now this is where it gets difficult for the modeler because most of the early four wheeler coaches would have been withdrawn by the start of the First World War, only few coaches surviving as "paddy" trains to serve collieries such as the Chatterley and Minnie Pit and the set used to transport salt workers to and from the Brunner Mond brine and chemical works at Malkins Bank near Hassall Green. These coaches survived as grounded holiday chalets and this is where the Knotty Coach Trust have been able to resurrect such examples for today's generation to enjoy, however these four wheelers were not painted in the Madder Lake receiving only the Longbottom Victoria Brown scheme because they were mainly withdrawn by the time of the Adams era, it was the replacement six wheeler and short bogie stock which was painted / repainted into Madder Lake.

    Finally I've found this for you: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/118949-nsr-4wheel-carriages-in-4mm-scale/

    it might be worth giving this chap a shout since he seems to use the Hornby Four Wheeler chassis as the basis for conversion. It could well save you a lot of hard work too.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2019
    oldknotty likes this.
  13. oldknotty

    oldknotty Full Member

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    79
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2018
    Thank you so much York Paul you seem to be a deep mine of very useful information :)
    oldknotty
     
    jakesdad13, York Paul and Andy_Sollis like this.
  14. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Full Member

    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    866
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018

    The 5C Models is Mark Smith who’s behind much of the coach restoration. He kindly did a review of one of my earlier models. He does some nice stuff on Shapeways... subject to price.
     
    oldknotty likes this.
  15. oldknotty

    oldknotty Full Member

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    79
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2018
    I sent a message to 5D Stoke asking if the prices were actually US or Canadian dollars as i sure would love to get a few of those coaches he shows pictures of , is he still around do you know ??
     
    Andy_Sollis likes this.
  16. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Full Member

    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    866
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018
    He’s in my friends list on FB Martin.

    There is also an NSR loco
     
  17. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Full Member

    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    866
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018
  18. oldknotty

    oldknotty Full Member

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    79
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2018
    Wot's 'is name on your HUGE facebook friends list ???
     
    Andy_Sollis likes this.
  19. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Full Member

    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    866
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018
    :giggle: As I said above (which you replied to earlier last week)

    Mark Smith. :avatar:
     
  20. oldknotty

    oldknotty Full Member

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    79
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2018
    I have been looking for rtr NSR coaches to no avail except for the ones that shape ways does , which i will look at when I have a few more reddies available:) So what i did was to convert some old Hornby coaches that I had sitting around for a long time . I repainted them added some new decals and did wee bit of detailing on the roofs and on the brake coach . Anyway here are the pictures of the finished product see what you think guys :) OOPs uploaded the same picture twice sorry :-( !!! IMG_0230.jpg IMG_0230.jpg IMG_0231.jpg IMG_0232.jpg
     
    jakesdad13, ed and York Paul like this.

Share This Page