Paul_L's Connoisseur 4F build

Discussion in 'Kits, Kit bashes & Scratch builds' started by paul_l, May 27, 2020.

  1. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Ooooooooo coming on maestro. The little mistake matters not a jot as it still builds the same. You just did not get the benefit of the half etches to let you locate items .... so ..... not really a mistake at all. :tophat:

    I have not fitted the doofers to each side of the coal hole yet. Why do I get the impression that it's going to cost me further down the line as there ain't much room. I think a hot iron ..... in and out or it will spell disaster. I think the parts are brass so not so bad.

    I left the parts originally as I was convinced they were white metal. Any white metal is being left until last for obvious reasons.

    Anyway, it will soon be coal rail time for me. Catch you for a Skype catch up after tea if you are available.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  2. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    Nicely recovered Paul, don't worry too much about having to take things apart. As you said brass is very forgiving. Just heat it up take it apart clean up and do it again.

    It took quite a few builds before I gained the confidence to rectify mistakes before moving on.
     
  3. jakesdad13

    jakesdad13 Staff Member Moderator

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    Just catching up here Paul, I've been busy elsewhere. Excellent thread mate! keep up the good work.
    As others have said, mistakes are part of the learning process. Small ones easily rectified with the soldering iron, bigger ones, (as long as white metal or plastic are not involved!) can be sorted by putting the offending parts on an old metal tray and sticking them into a hot oven, hey presto, a kit again! I did it with an almost completed J50 kit body a mate asked me to sort out, easier to start anew!

    Cheers, Pete.
     
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  4. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Progress has been slow this week - mind you it is only Tuesday

    First up coal rear bulk head


    Then the detailing bits, on the outer sides rivet strips are added, in the center the bracing brackets are added, then a decrative rivet strip


    Now the beading strips, slight variation for me is the beading stops at the front coal bulkhead to allow the tender cab to be installed.


    There is a half etch line where the curves start, this works really easily

    Then the second side hear is where I trimmed the beading


    Both sides formed


    The beading between the two sides is now added

    First the rear beading - trimmed to length


    Once happy the sides are trimmed to length


    Now the beading for the rear coal bulkhead



    Fireiron support bracket, to etches laminated together


    and fitted


    Lamp irons


    Time for a coffee and to put the model into the ultrasonic cleaner

    Paul
     
  5. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Catching up maestro ..... these fiddly little lamp irons are well out of the way. I'm sure you'll be happy about that.

    crack on Sir.

    toto
     
  6. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Yup, those clamping tweezers made the job real easy, Nellie will be getting nervous :avatar:

    Had a little time available at lunch time - who needs food anyway

    I decided to put the white metal parts on later, so on with the outer frames

    First up emboss the rivets


    The time to be brave I tacked the drawbeam in place then one side, using the square to check all is ok


    and run the fillets


    and then the second side frame


    Starting to like a tender now.

    Next up will be the mods to both the buffer beams to accommodate the sprung buffers as per Yorkies build thread Post #44 onwards

    But that'll be after work

    Paul
     
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  7. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Oh ... eh .... making a run for it now ..... fair enough. I am taking a run down to Asda to restock on beer, John Smith's to be exact. Then I will be attacking the outer frames like above. On hindsight, I wish I had now skipped the white metal parts until I had that done as it makes the piece so much easier to throw around when working on it. I'll need to be extra careful now.

    See you at the finish line. :tophat:

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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  8. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    and the buffer beam begins

    First had to ream out the holes for the Markits buffers, I stripped one buffer down to use as a master, and used the broach to ream the holes. All markits buffer shanks are not quite equal, luckily the one I picked was a smaller diameter - now we are talking a knats ba hair here, but these are now a v close fit.
    On with the soldering iron


    Next drill out all 8 holes, and fit the wires


    Now the excitement got the better of me, and I thought I'd taken pictures of the buffer assembly :facepalm:

    Chassis outer frames marked up and cut out for the sprung buffer motion, buffer assembly tested amd time to solder up

    Now I remembered to take photo's - actually Toto reminded me.




    That's it for tonight, steps tomorrow.

    Paul
     
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  9. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    First class job Sir. The buffers take a wee bit time with the drilling etc. Worth it when done though. These little details just help make it. Now ..... nearly on the next phase. Just steps and white metal to go ..... then its the chassis. not bad going for under a weeks work.

    terrific stuff.

    cheers

    toto
     
  10. Kimbo

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    Paul, how well does the ultrasonic clean up The model?
     
  11. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Kim

    Really well

    I use it in two ways - a quick 5 min wash gets rid all debry from cleaning with a wipe down with tissue at the end and the full wash where I clean the model first with cream cleaner (Jif or Tesco's own) and a tooth brush, rinsed off with water, then a 10 min wash in the ultrasonic cleaner - I use a bath of concentrated All purpose cleaner - the yellow / green stuff normall 3 parts cleaner to 1 part water. Finaly a good rinse with warm / hot water. I have this cleaner for cleaning 3D prints and can take 4 to 5 litres of fluid.
    I will take before and after pics next time.

    Paul
     
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  12. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    How do you dispose of the used liquids and how long between changes ?

    As you can probably gather, I'm considering one. What model rid you get Paul. Hopefully nothing to bulky.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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  13. Kimbo

    Kimbo Staff Member Moderator

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    Cheers Paul, that sounds good, I’ve been considering one for a while now. Look forward to seeing some b4 and after pics :thumbs:
    Kim
     
  14. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Could be a new trend being set here.

    It's trying to get one long enough to take a longer steamie. Say a 9f or so. Once you go beyond a 3l tank, the price starts to jump and availability is not as easy.

    I've been looking as well.

    Toto
     
  15. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Wow - just checked my back orders with Amazon High Frequency Cleaner 3l
    I paid £99, its now listed as £230

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    I picked this one due to the drainage cock at the side.

    The cleaning fluid I use is Tesco All Purpose Cleaner currently £1 per litre

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    Remember my primary use for this cleaner was for 3D prints so I mix 3 x Cleaner to 1 x Water, for cleaning kits I may try 1:1 and see how that goes.

    Looking on Ebay a 30 litre may suit a 9F

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    However at nearly £500 maybe just stick half the loco in at a time

    This may be more appropriate

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    From Amazon Digital Ultrasonic Cleaner - DK SONIC 3L 120W Currently £136 smaller than mine and only half the power - just clean for longer.

    A 22L version of mine is available for £289 and has a capacity of 525X340X330mm, but that is a hell of a lot of fluid to mix up and drain out

    Paul
     
  16. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Hmm... I wonder why there is such a price hike Paul ?
     
  17. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    The problem is the overall dimensions. I've ordered the 6.5 litre version which gives an internal length of 300mm. That should cover most of my kits maybe with the exception of the largest eg. 8f, 9f and the duchess. Separate washes for the loco and tender.

    Do you have to use the basket of for example you were wearing gloves ?

    That way you get maximum available capacity of the tank. A few mm could make all the difference.

    Might be worth familiarising myself with the overall dimensions of a duchess for example. Not that i'll be changing my order now. I didn't want to spend too much on one given the amount of use that it will get.

    Toto
     
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    Found 6.5l over here but all sold out....why / who is buying them all. I will keep looking
     
  19. paul_l

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    I think it's because people are willing to pay it, or as Kimbo has found most sizes are out of stock, maybe the factory in China hasn't reopened.

    Paul
     
  20. paul_l

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    Believe it or not but progress has been made, I just haven't had time to post it up

    The previous posts didn't really show the slot for the sprung buffers


    Luckily the step will hide this.

    The front and rear steps are different sizes, the rear being slightly narrower. Jim has etched front and rear on each set of etches - see he thought of me years ahead of me buying it :giggle:

    The parts for the rear steps


    All folds were made on the steps and treads

    I then decided for the rear steps to reinforce the step with 0.9mm wire - I used 60/40 mulicored electrical solder for this - approx 188C melting point


    Then the treads were then added using 145C solder


    Slight bends were added to the treads

    And then fitted


    Same process repeated for the front steps - this time without reinforcement


    Now the worrying bit - white metal

    I dropped the Soldering Iron temp down to 160C, and used 100C solder.

    All holes on the rear shelf needed opening out to fit the castings

    And soldered up initially from the underside, then finished of with a little from above to give the fillet.


    Axle boxes - the axle box rears were first tinned, then inserted and soldered from the rear


    Finally the brake levers in the cab end - I left these until last as Toto had found they are easily damaged.


    Time for a good clean up then a wash - not sure if that's me or the tender.

    Paul
     

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