Paul_L's Connoisseur 4F build

Discussion in 'Kits, Kit bashes & Scratch builds' started by paul_l, May 27, 2020.

  1. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Great result. Impressed with the axleboxes.

    Toto
     
  2. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    Although it doesn't seem like you are experiencing any issues mixing lower melt solders and higher melt on the same soldering iron bit. I thought it worth a mention that I have read of many people having issues mixing 100 degree and lower melt solders on the same bit as they use for 145 and above. For this reason I bought a cheap maplins £9.99 solder station and I use that exclusively for lower melt solders, keeping my better iron for the 145 and higher solders
     
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  3. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Rob

    I have a wee secret on this, the tips are interchangeable, this bit will only now be used for 100C or 70C solder, one of the many reasons for keeping the white metal parts to the end of the build. I may as well keep the new tip for the 145 / 188 solder. I also keep re-tinning the bit with 180 multicore at the start and whenever the 145 forms globs rather than flow smoothly across the tip.

    I have used the KSGER soldering station for the whole build - I did try the 40W Weller Iron, with a new tip and within 10 mins it was black and not accepting any solder.
    The tip I have used is a T12 - D4, and this seems to work very well. Luckily I bought several.

    Paul
     
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  4. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Go for it Maestro ..... if it works for you. I think we can sometimes have different experiences with tools but you'd think the science would dictate. If it aint broke ...... dont fix it. :avatar:
     
  5. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Started the chassis

    First job to ream out the frames to accept the bearing bushes, a little stressful, as the original hole is approx 5.3 dia, and the final hole needs to be 6.4 dia.

    The outer axles also have to have an additional etched spacer or washer fitted between the bearing and the frame. These also needed to be reamed out as well.

    Fitting the bearings into the frames I used these to setup my Avonside Chassis2 Jig axle spacing

    To keep the chassis side flat I added a washer underneath the center bearing



    I fitted the frame over the bearings and soldered it up,


    and repeat for the other side - oh ****


    I've soldered the bearings to the wrong side :facepalm:

    After a few sharp words with myself (and Toto got to witness it as he was in a skype conversation with me), this is the way I fixed it

    I drilled a 13 mm blind hole in to a piece of wood


    Placed the assembly over the hole


    Heated up the assembly and pushed the bearing through


    Leaving the bearing in the hole


    Back to the jig, and re-solder the frame back up the correct way round

    Next I added the frame spacers



    Removed the side from the jig, and put the other side in fitted the first side back onto the jig and soldered up the second side.


    Checked is was flat, then popped it into the Ultrasoic cleaner for 5 mins

    and here's the result



    Paul
     
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  6. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Nice clean finish Paul. Brake shoes and rigging next. Soon be running over the finish line. Good result.

    Toto
     
  7. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    Soldering the bearings into the wrong side is an easy mistake to make Paul, fortunately also easy to rectify at that stage. Must look into getting myself one of those Ultrasonic cleaners though, don't need one as big as the one you have for my 00 gauge stuff though.
    Keith.
     
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  8. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Keith

    After your other post, maybe you should consider the larger cleaner, you may soon need it :avatar:.

    Paul
     
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  9. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Today, I inserted the wheels, they fitted without issue, but were stiff, so I reamed out the bearings, and all spin freely.

    Now the brakes,

    3 left hand and 3 right hand versions need the shoe's sweated on to the bracket.


    Then as per Yorkies suggestion soldered up over a square corner - he used a flat stone, I used a piece of 3x2 planed timber.


    Fidely but got there in the end




    Next up the Water scoop, this is awhite metal casting


    And is soldered on to the cross member


    And put the bits together



    Just need to remove the wheels and clean it up ready for primer

    Paul
     
  10. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Looking great Paul. It's good to see the end of stage 1 and move onto something fresh. You will enjoy the opening stages of the loco build as there is nothing scary about it. Back to nice big etches mostly with a little variation. Ie , a bit laminating and beading work just to make it interesting.

    Good stuff.

    Toto
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Late start this evening so just making a start on the footplate.

    First up I embossed the rivet detail on the buffer beam and side valances.
    The draw bar is part of the footplate etch, so this bent through 90 degrees and the valances then tacked in place, followed by the buffer beam - and yes you've guessed it I forgot to take piccies.
    Once happy that everything looks OK, the seams are completed.
    Then the nuts to secure the chassis were added.
    A quick dip in the cleaner (approx 2 min - after all it is after midnight), I will clean the solder up in the morning.

    Draw bar end


    Buffer beam underside


    Upperside with the step sides folded and soldered in place


    And a final shot of one of my nuts



    I will ream buffer beam for the buffers and fit shanks
    Paul
     
  12. Toto

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    I had to have another look at this thread to see the shot of your nuts Paul. Phew ...... no further moderation required. ..... close call, I could have been advertising for a new mod, admin, jannie ..... general dogs body ....... where would I get another one of these. :hammer:
     
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  13. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Nut's I'd thought I'd found a way out :avatar:

    Paul
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    When it comes to the cab sides and the pre assembly please bare in mind that the wraps around the cab side cut outs are handed, in other words the rib finished about 12 mm towards the end and becomes a continuous flat... this is to accept the cab roof strengthener piece, so the wraps are left and right handed. Sorry I wasn't on yesterday but I had other work / job things to do.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Buffers started on - boy am I glad I did this now

    Buffer beam reamed out the a broach, and the heads soldered into place


    Next to drill out the bolt holes, not easy trying to hold the assembly verticle with one hand , the drill in place with the other - wait a min how do I rotate the drill :facepalm: :scratchchin:

    Scratching my head - I know a block of wood, now where did that I dea come from


    8 holes later, I tinned the end of the wire and threaded it in from the front until just the right amount protrued out and then tinned in place - sorry for the soft focus pic


    And were done


    Now to get back on script.

    Paul
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Cracking on nicely with that I see Mr Dundee... looking superb :tophat:

    Will you carry on with the body construction or shift over to build up the chassis ?
     
  17. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Nicely done Sir.

    Early start as well eh. I'm running a bit later than scheduled. It wont take you long to catch up with the cab build. Remember these pesky split pins. It does work as per instructions but you do have the option of doing before fixing the floor into place.

    I suppose for potential future removal, it would make sense to follow the instructions though.

    Have fun.

    Toto
     
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    Thanks for that heads up... off into the workshop now to attack the very same.:thumbs:
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    A little progress

    Cab front cut out and cleaned and rivets embossed


    Centre window apertures added


    Splashers all bent up


    And the cab front tacked in place and set square and on centre


    Checked from both sides and looks good - fillets of solder added


    Making lunch, so will be back later.

    Paul
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Started on the cab sides

    The beading etch was cleaned up, tinned and sweated in to place


    Next up the grad rail


    Top support - folded over and soldered in place and finally the beading.

    Repeat for the other side

    Now were ready to fit the sides - tagged in 3 places middle of bottom edge, middle between Cab side and front, and top of cab side and frot



    Repeated for the other side, once happy with the fit I completed the seam joints

    Inside of cab


    Cab front


    and the sides



    Ok that's it for now, I have other duties to perform

    Paul
     
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