Paul's Nellie

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  1. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Well this project got put well on the back burner with both Another Bridge and Toto's traversers taking over my life, but hopefully once the Elgin Show is over I can get started again.

    Just to get the ball rolling, I've just purchased (via the bay) a Mashima 1824 as the canon wire tabs were just fouling on to the top of the boiler. Hopefully it will be here soon and I can test the fit.

    Paul
     
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    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    It'll be good to see her running under her own steam and hopefully get her coat of paint. :tophat:
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    1824 motor arrived from ebay


    I may even get away with a small flywheel in the space I have.

    Once built and run in I will monitor the current draw, as I have used a Laisdcc with stay alive in the Fowler and was really impressed, the loco plus 5 wagons and a brake van, took over 2.5 min to travel 9ft, that's approx 18mm per second without a single glitch which if I have my maths correct equates to appox a scale 1.7 mph.

    Paul
     
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    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Very good. And ... I witnessed the slow running experiment in Dundee when Paul carried it out and yes, a snail,s pace and as smooth as you like. Very impressive.

    Toto
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    After a break of four months, finally making some progress

    So this is where I was up to

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    Smoke box and boiler made up but just placed into position.
    Placing the parts into position, so they are on center, and square, then tacked in place.
    The assembly was then removed from the footplate and soldered into position.


    And the fillet ran round the the whole join.

    Next up the boiler band adjacent to the smoke box - couldn't find it anywhere so used a piece of phosphour bronze strip


    Clean up then solder the assembly into position

    Ooops forgot to take any pictures - so will do that a bit later and update the thread :facepalm:

    Paul
     
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    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    All looking good. More work in it than meets the eye. Nice progress :thumbs:

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    Nice work so far Paul. How do you rate the build, is it relatively easy ??

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    looks like there's been a Platform 1 soldering party up in Dundee...:avatar: Nice work Paul and 2mm phosphor strip is probably more to scale and certainly easier to sweat on.:tophat::tophat::tophat:
     
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    Looking good Paul :thumbup::thumbup:
     
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    Great to see you getting back into the saddle Paul. Cracking work!!

    Pete.
     
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    I learned a great technique yesterday with regards to soldering on the boiler band immediately next to the chimney. I'll let Paul explain how he floated that into position. A great way of creating a far tidied job and reducing the over use of solder. Well impressed.

    Hopefully I'll be able to remember and replicate the way he done it. It maybe what comes naturally to more experienced builders but you need to see it being done in order to take the idea on board confidently. Really good. :thumbs:

    Cheers

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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Gary - as a first build, it's been a good and satisfying journey so far.

    The main lesson is trying to keep the amount of solder to a minimum - less cleaning up, definitely a skill that comes with practice, as I reckon I was better at it in October when I was last working on Nellie, so ..........

    The trick Toto was hinting at, with the phosphour bronze strip boiler band I tagged the first end down on the bottom of the boiler (unseen), then wrapped the rest around the boiler approx 1.5 times holding it in place with a hair clip

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    Then tagged the strip in place at 90, 270 and 360 degrees, before joining the dots.

    Paul
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Ouch - it's almost 18 months since I've done anything to Nellie :facepalm: sorry :oops:

    So an hour or so reading through the instructions, ok so I had to find them first, and yes I could have just re-printed another copy, but thinking of the planet, I had a coffee, then looked under the box that contained Nellie's parts :whatever:.

    Handrails next - possibly one of the reasons I stopped, and ordered turned brass ones - and you've guessed it they've put away safe somewhere else. So back to the kits supplied split pins.



    Before fitting the smokebox front rail I tinned the smoke box spacer plate with 100C solder ready for the whitemetal smoke box door - to be fitted later


    Next up the steps


    And one assembled, just ready for cleanup


    Only three more to go

    Paul
     
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    Getting yourself back into it then. :scratchchin: I sense some cunning strategic operations here. You cant have much more to do to complete it now. The etched primer will be raising its head soon.

    Toto
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    The body is nearing completion - once the steps are completed, lamp irons then the Whitemetal parts Smakebox door, tank fillers, chimney, domes and whistle I think that will it just about done. The chassis, tho has more, coupling rods, brake gear and other detail parts, paint it up then fit the plunger pick ups, refit the motor & gear box, test it, then the full paint job.

    Not sure of the paint job - the old Triang Nellie was a nice shade of blue - similar to light caley blue, but I maybe a darker blue or red, it will be a Private Owner loco, the idea will be the gas works, with the Nellie, J79 in Private livery, the two Fowler Mechanical shunters and maybe a caley pug, the others I have so the pug would be a later addition to the fleet.

    Then I just have to design & build the tippler - nae problem that's Toto's job :eek: :whatever: :avatar:

    Paul
     
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    As I'm doing this as an Industrial loco, not to wander in the wider open plains of the rail network, how many lamp irons do I need to fit ?
    Is it all four front and rear, or maybe as little as 1 at each end

    Paul
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Great to see the catch up build for Nellie and the progress... all coming along good :thumbup::tophat:

    If Nellie is going to work in a private internal rail system then it doesn't need any lamp irons because it won't need to display an illuminated train description nor work on the main line... so you can either leave them off altogether or just put one on front and back which would hold a "Not to be Moved" flag when under repair.
     
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    Thanks Paul - would that be Lh Middle or Rh location, I thought the may have had to have 1 lamp at the front and 1 at the rear if the were running light.

    Nil sounds like a good compromise :avatar:

    Paul
     
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    I don't think there is any hard and fast rule where a lamp iron for an industrial loco working inside a private system may be placed, certainly if in a gas works unless it had a private branch line running to somewhere else light engine moves would merely be running from the shed to the nearest siding to do shunting work and to put lamps on would just be an chore for the crew. Some industrials did carry lamp irons and those ex BR ones that saw further service in industry did, presumably because they were higher power engines that needed to work against BR running lines along a goods line where running rights were in place, but certainly that wouldn't apply to all industrials. If it was me I'd put an iron above the smokebox and another in the centre top edge of the bunker, it is very much a matter of whatever you want to do... as that old chestnut goes Rule 1 and who can argue its your little loco and a very nice one it will be too.
     
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    Wee bit o work so far this morning


    All 4 soldered up now including the rear 0.9mm wire to strengthen them up - 145C solder used to attach the wire.

    Cleaned up then the steps were soldered into place



    I did loosen a cab hand rail, so thats to fix.

    Paul I think I will go for the two lamp irons you suggest - oboy

    Paul
     
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