Knowing one's limits is essential to preserve what little sanity I have remaining, especially as I dive deeper into squeezing small pieces of plastic into shapes really too small for my printer, however, nothing ventured ... Jim
Sol, With 8 Arduinos controlling my turnouts via cheap servos, and 2 more Arduinos for DCC-EX, I can tell you that the hardest part is positioning the servos to drive the gates. One Arduino ($20 max), 2 servos ($10), a couple of LEDs ($2) and some wiring ($3) should cost all up no more than $35. But scenery is definitely a lot easier and cheaper. David
David, it is not the gates that I was interested in, just the flashing crossing lights & even the USA Logic firm said that in having a stopping train on the platform & then continue on a minute or two later, yep, the system is not designed for that. Using reed switches relies on an average length of train so when I explained to the Aussie manufacturer, I have a passenger train 7 coaches & loco or just one DMU/Railcar. the crossing lights could go out while the long train is still moving across the road/rail crossing or stay on for some longer time when a DMU is used. This is something I couldn't take to so a novel idea as presented by one of the crew, is to close the road/rail crossing ...
Now actually, this was something I looked at for my exams at Secondary school back in 1993. (But back then we never pulled it off, but todays systems could do it much simpler) What you may need is 4 Infra Red LED's and 4 detectors, Pair A for up and Pair B down trains, set up in such a way that the first vehicle triggers the Outer detector and when done so, triggers the gates but turns off the other two paired detectors and leaves its own, so whilst the train is blocking, or reflecting the IR LED, the barriers are down. Depending on the location of detector 2, it can then lift the barriers once its clear of the train (a delay may be slightly useful to avoid a trigger between couplings) - Once the time out has occured and the barriers raised, it can then switch back in the second pair - hopefully ensuring that the train will have cleared the 1 detector with your slowest traiN, or it will trigger again. So you have something like below: ---------A detector 1>>------------------B detector 2<<------- \X Crossing X /----- >>A detector 2-----------<< B detector 1--------- I hope this makes sense ? Using an Arduino may be a cheap way to program and control it. A & B detector 1's can be as close of afar from the crossing as you like, but make sure its far enough for your fastest train to not reach the barriers before they have lowered. (I've actually been known to sit at Crossing barriers for 3 mins before a train appeared at line speed, but we wouldn't have that distance in model form unless you living in a huge US barn!) -In theory, the train length is irrelevant, as the last vehicle resets the barriers once its crossed (the 2 detectors could be along side the road crossing or spaced a few CM away) Andy
Sol, does that mean you're going to remove the crossing gates? Makes it even easier. Andy, what you described is just what Geoff Bunza did in the link I posted (#16). David
Andy, the loop tracks in which one is used for a DMU stopping at the platform while another from the other direction runs past on the loop does not help. And yes David, boom gates ( Peco units) will be removed & the road crossing blocked - may even get it done before next Wednesday Op session.
Hi Sol, an un-gated crossing in a town is very unlikely IMO. Simplest solution, leave the barriers/gates closed, afterall, even when they are open the vehicles do not move, they have been abandoned, no one in them Jim
Road has been closed - one fence installed with a sign on it The other side of the crossing, the one closest to the operators will also have new fence & a sign
Change of mind - found a freight line with only flashing lights & as the D&S is a freelance railway, that too can follow suit https://www.safetynews.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Creyke-Rd-LX-960x540.jpg
But that is a single track line which appears to be recent times in the middle of no-where very unlike yours, never mind, Rule 1 applies. Jim
Jim, I did find one with no gates but just flashing lights for 2 tracks https://c8.alamy.com/comp/TYY5JT/ra...on-a-rural-road-in-the-countryside-TYY5JT.jpg
Still countryside though, not in a UK town, just saying, it's your call though. An option I thought of was that it could be a UK gated crossing, but road closed while workmen repaired/replaced a damaged gate with the aid of a crane to lift on and off a lorry. That way you have UK town style but a reason for the gates to be out of use 'temporarily' Jim
Hello All, re prototype level crossings, flashing lights, et al.These comments are of general applicability, doubtless there are exceptions ! 1 / the familiar cross buck design, as depicted above, originated in the USA around the late 1920s, and has subsequently pretty much become a global standard (albeit with variations on the basic theme). 2 / Industrial lines / Goods lines / Long sidings for many years lacked signage at all, or perhaps had a Yellow diamond road warning sign indicating an ungated level crossing, and the presence of a train was usually indicated by a Flagman holding a Red Flag or Light. As the road traffic density was low, road traffic speed was low, and train speed was also low, this worked reasonably well for many decades. 3 / However, by the late 1960s onwards, road traffic density, and actual road speeds increased, train movements over Goods Only lines declined partially due to declining traffic, partially due to longer train, and therefore fewer, trains), and these Level Crossings then became an increasing safety hazard. Hence, the introduction of Cross Bucks (with additional - Tracks signage, if multiple railway lines were present) to indicate a level Crossing, with the road also being equipped with Diamond Yellow Level Crossing Warning* signs on the road approach. 4 / Later on, Stop, or Give Way, road signs were added below the cross buck. If road traffic was considered intense, or near constant, then Flashing Lights may be substituted for the previous Stop, or Give Way, road sign. In some locations (VR Ararat, Westall, and many others in Victoria, Australia) were equipped with Shunter Operated Key Switches to initiate the Flashing Lights. 5 / originally, Boom barriers, at least outside the UK were only used on heavily trafficked, or arterial roads, or multi lane highways, though increasing road traffic has meant that Boom Barriers are increasingly the norm (not so in the 1970s ! ) In this case, Boom Barriers are normally a Half Barrier obstructing the entrance to the Level Crossing only, allowing for motor vehicles on the Level Crossing to continue to Exit if the Boom Barriers are initiated. 6 / Most jurisdictions also have "Stop on Red Lights", and "Keep Crossing Clear" signage, as well as Road Markings, and usually side fences, sometimes also with Chevrons and / or "Railway Crossing" boars on the side fences. Some places even have Pedestrian Zig Zags, Pedestrian Boom Gates (Australian Capital Metropolitan areas) as an added safety feature. 7 / As some people have previously commented, North America seems to regard anything beyond a Cross Buck, with or without flashing lights, or Boom Barriers, as an unnecessary waste of money ! 8 / * yes, I am aware that British pre and post 1965 signage did not use Yellow Diamonds, but the principal is the same. 9 / Closure, even temporary, of a public roadway is generally not permitted, and usually requires advance public notification, or road protection, these days now usually supplied by the local Police. 10/ The British idea of using a Flashing Yellow Warning Light, as well as a pair of Flashing Red Lights is pretty much unique to the UK. In my opinion it does make Level Crossing circuitry needlessly complex (and it is complex enough without the additional Yellow Light) for little marginal benefit. If anything, it encourages drivers to accelerate toward the crossing, instead of stopping, which presumably is not the intention ! 11 / In most sensible places (again excluding the USA), the time between initiation of the Flashing Lights, the Booms coming down if present, and the train entering the crossing, is about 30 seconds, give or take. Flashing Light Crossings which normally enable a wait period exceeding 60 seconds prior to train arrival is inherently bad practice, as many vehicle drivers will (wrongly) assume the Barriers are defective, and drive around them. That is the very reason why the 60 second wait time was reduced to 30 seconds. Regards to all, Echidna.
a friend of mine who was guard on goods trains here in South Australia & ended his working life a a major train controller for ARTC told me about predictive setting off flashing lights on major routes in Australia. If a train approaching a road crossing say at 100kph, the lights can start flashing 1km away but if approaching at 20kph, they will not start flashing until train is closer to the crossing. I live close to a road crossing with a station ( metro lines ) at the crossing & lights start when train is almost at the platform & will keep flashing even after it has passed the crossing if another train is coming the other way ( two tracks) from the next station or just arrived at that distant station on the line that I can see.
Is you may (or may not) find this of interest, but the first automatic half barrier crossing in the UK was just a few miles further down the same line as the one I volunteer at. Yes, spath crossing, just up from Uttoxeter in Staffordshire was the location of the first AHB. It was build on the NSR’s Churnet Valley route, a secondary main line back then. It was first feared by drivers and folk were unsure if this new contraption. https://www.nsrailway.co.uk/photos/spath.html Here are some photos of the location. it probably won’t help here with this, but I thought it would be a nice bit of information. Sadly, it’s all gone.. Not far away is Hixon, where sadly the first barrier crossing there resulted in a rather horrible accident.