The churnet Valley Railway

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  1. Jim Freight

    Jim Freight Full Member

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    Whilst watching this video two aspects of modelling become obvious
    1. How the railway is dwarfed by the countryside, difficult to model admittedly.
    2. Bridges over the railway that are used by farmers, some with a gravel track, others just covered in grass, we rarely model that type of overbridge.
    Jim :)
     
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  2. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    There is even one that is still in situe and not used as they have laid a level crossing at the side of it.
     
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  3. Ron

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    What a great video! I can't believe the number of tree's enroute!
    Is it envisaged to lengthen the line maybe to the quarry??

    Ron
     
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  4. Andy_Sollis

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    That may come. That last section has been lifted as was work out, but plans are to retore it.
     
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  5. Andy_Sollis

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    Whilst we are still on Cauldon Lowe, I’ve found another video I took around 2010

     
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  6. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    And so to Leek.

    a few photos from June 2022 from my good friend at the line and former chairman, Pete Green..
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    after the track bed as was in the 1970’s was cleared back a Fred bed of ballast was put in place and the first sleepers laid dd70b513-923e-4607-a3ce-62cca5ccdbdb.jpeg
    Moving some items around
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    a little progress 058ffd42-6023-4e60-bb33-595410023a33.jpeg
    Dropping some more in.
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    Long way to go..
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    Looking south back towards Leek Brook Junction. On the left is the north east curve of the Cauldon Lowe branch being reinstated to form a triangle which went in the 1920’s.
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    Much has been done by contractor as we have received a grant for the extension.
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    Birchall Tunnel ahead. Main line in front and the triangle coming in on the right.
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    stood in the end of the V.
     
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  7. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    November 2022

    Work was starting on the level crossing in to the Severn Trent water works
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    removing the old rails that were still
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    Clearing back.

    November 22

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    March 2023

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    Work continued

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    new route of the triangle to Cauldon Lowe. Having a working triangle will give a choice of destinations but also allow stock to be turned to even out wheel wear. 2ffc5462-1888-4424-adde-fef684466ab7.jpeg
    Installing the new point on the Cauldon line to connect the North East side of the triangle.
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    The site of the future Leek Terminus. The original station site is still a few 100yards further on and now Morrisons supermarket car park. 1e13d3f7-3eb2-4380-8dd9-f89659c52b55.jpeg
    Back on the Cauldon Line and the point work
    Continues.
     
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    Still in March 2023 and the point on the Cauldon line is done and installed to a
    Motor point due to its location (this was originally motor in the latter days before removal.)

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    May 23.. Back to Birchall tunnel and track is being laid through it.
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    the green fence on the right is a new footpath being put in place.
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    we can see it being installed here before the fence was erected. This was to appease the locals who since the lines closure in 1989 had used it as a dog walking route. Rather than cause further upset, the option was taken to meet them half way and give them a safe route…. With some great places to take some photos from of the trains. :thumbs:
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    how it looked in the 1980’s. A class 25 stands at the end of the loop. The line north terminated just before Birchall tunnel which hadn’t seen a train since the late 1960’s.

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    meanwhile the other point is installed on the new line.
     
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    :scratchchin:
    Hi Andy, do you get in specialist contractors and say lay it here or does the group get more involved than that because there is a lot of knowledge required to lay track for use by heavy locos especially as some form of inspection would be required to ensure it meets recognised standards for carrying the paying public. :scratchchin:

    Jim :)
     
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    Last one for tonight..
    Looking north just against the North end of Birchall Tunnel (it is thought to actually be an ancient burial mound)
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    We even have stock on the line for moving the new rails in to place..
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    Looking back south from the then end of the line.
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    Looking north towards Leek and the route still to go. 9df3733b-b368-40ca-a718-b8d5a9e91ac3.jpeg
    Some electrical work being done. 3490cbcd-3201-4059-9c9d-fc532037d7d4.jpeg
    Work on the footpath and the new curve between the new line and the Cauldon line. 3130701c-b43d-4f56-a57a-5f7e2b28f6f2.jpeg
    At the side of the Cauldon line the footpath has a boxed in end, presenting a viewing location of the locos on the 1:50 climb. The new side of the triangle is just to the right out of view, were
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    and looking down the new side of the triangle towards Leek.
     
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  11. Andy_Sollis

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    Jim, some is done by the volunteers but for the speed and heavy plant stuff, it’s being done by railway contractors who have plans to work off.
    I’ve personally not had much involvement so
    Can’t say much on this.
     
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  12. Echidna

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    Hello Andy, and others,
    1 / very interesting series of photos, and some of my observations to follow.
    2 / I notice that the new trackbed is laid without a geotextile blanket underlay, which I am under the impression is considered current best practice from the 1980s ( even earlier in some particular locations). However, it may be that your Track Engineer deems it unnecessary in your particular area.
    3 / Hint for railway modellers. Setting out and laying of points/switches, independent from the connecting track, ensures that the switches, especially where a series of connecting switches is required, can be correctly set up to "flow" properly from the commencement, to the finishing point. Once that is done, then connect up the normal approach tracks. This allows the connecting track to be adjusted to ensure a smooth flow into the switch complex, with the consequent improved running of your trains. This is a lot easier to do, than the reverse. The laying and flow of switches needs to be correct, otherwise, poor running is ensured.
    4 / In Victoria, Australia, current practice, when replacing track infrastructure, is the complete removal of the old, the regrading of the substructure, laying of geotextile, laying of under ballast, laying of switches, laying and connecting up the running lines, then finishing the ballasting. As concrete sleepers are now preferred, due to their lower comparative cost over a lifespan of 35-50 years, compared to alternatives, this also means that heavy, specialist plant and equipment, operated by qualified and certificated peoples also required. hence the reason for complete line closures, and bus substitution.
    Whilst minor railways can, to some extent, still use manual methods, and hand held heavy tool assistance (powered track tamping tools, etc), any major works really now requires specialist heavy machinery to be done to achieve satisfactory long term reliable train running.
    5 / Whilst I like the idea of a fenced off public access to the railway corridor, it does come with some issues that all preserved railways need to consider.
    a / it requires fencing to be maintained to ensure separation from the Danger Zone of the Running Line. It also requires the pathways to be maintained, and drained, to reduce the likelihood of injury to users. As some Local Government Authorities have found to their cost, a failure to do so can, on some occasions, result in rather expensive legal action, due to a failure of the "duty of care" to users the facility.
    b / Gates, an ability to close the pathway on railway land, also needs to be considered. Ungated public access can lead to a situation where the railway access pathway becomes a legal public right of way without restriction, if the railway cannot restrict access to it at certain times. It used to be the case that railway pathways were locked off for 24 hour period once a year, though I suspect that period has changed, but there is still a need to legally ensure that the railway pathway does not become a public right of way. Suitable signage may also be required to confirm the legal status of the railway pathway.
    Gates are also a way of delineating the public right of way, from the railway pathway for public access.
    (In metropolitan Melbourne, some railway pathways have been upgraded with lockable gates, and a notice to the effect that the pathway may be closed for railway maintenance purposes. This is a byproduct of some informal pathways becoming formal, new bike paths installed parallel to the railway line, and new equipment boxes, and in some cases road access, provided for maintenance staff, all part of a level crossing removal programme.)
    c / preserved railways also face the problem of mixed ownership of the railway right of way. The need to deal with multiple railway right of way owners, property owners which adjoin the railway, and public right of way, and highways, which cross the railway.
    d / Occupation crossings, where farmer Joe can run his livestock across the railway line at his occupation crossing (which connects his fields on opposite sides of the line, and are intended for his use exclusively), but who also allows the neighbour to use the crossing to access a part of the neighbour's crossing, which "allowance" of course, will be strenuously denied if there is an accident. (Refer to Swanage railway, Boxing Day, 1999.) The right to an Occupation Crossing expires when when one of said fields is sold to a third party, thereby extinguishing the need of farmer Joe to use said Occupation crossing. (As an aside, there was an instance where a Farming Corporation banned the Railway Signal Techs from access to the farm to maintain the Occupation Crossing. This meant that the Occupation Crossing equipment became unsafe, due to it not being maintainable. Railtrack/NetworkRail then removed the crossing completely, due to it being a danger that was, presumably, no longer required. Access was blocked off with concrete barriers. Farm Corporation later realised that their farm machinery, due to its' dimensions and weight, could not access the fields on the other side of the railway line, except by means of the now removed Occupation Crossing. Farm Corporation requested reinstatement of said Occupation Crossing, and presumably were less than happy that it would both take time, and require around a half million pounds, at their expense, to re-instate. Probably should have thought about that prior to banning the Signal Techs ! )
    d / I also like the idea of a viewing space being set aside for general use. Interested persons can then view and photograph to their hearts content in a fenced off safe zone, which does not require a Trackside Permit. Whilst I think that Trackside Access permits for photographers is OK, it does require the issuing railway (consistent with today's more stringent safety requirements) needs to ensure the holder of such a Permit is a responsible person, and a Holder of a current Track Awareness and Safety Certificate, however defined. This, in turn, requires the railway to establish, and then administer, and regulate, such access and usage. As preserved railways are generally volunteer run, and even if some staff are full or part time employees, this is an additional administrative burden which many railways may struggle to accomodate, so fenced off viewing zones are a preferable alternative in my view.
    6 / Thanks for a very interesting photo talk of the Churnet Valley Railway, it shows how much work is need to restore a railway, and highlights the efforts of the many volunteers that make this possible.
    Best wishes and regards from Australia, Echidna.
     
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  13. Andy_Sollis

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    And so… Leek (new site) was reached in 1st December.
    With thanks to Ian Ralphs for the photos.

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    looking back. The loop will be added in the new year which means these buffer stops will move north yet again.

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    Commencing the platform. IMG_0415.jpeg
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    Class 25 back on old ground.
     
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