Anybody making their own electrical pick ups- advice needed please

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  1. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Putting this thread into Hints & Tips as I need some hints, tips and opinions on the 0F build, this way comments won't become lost within the Spaceship thread as it were.

    Firstly I dislike sprung pick ups as they never seem to work well for me and are often visible inside the frames, secondly the 9F is a very tightly packed component model around the frames with inner frame bulkheads highly viisible, so I have to make my own wiper pick ups which can be descreetly formed and located against the inner frame faces. Placing wires under the frame and above the brake rigging is not really an option either.

    My idea is to drill a hole in the frame sides just below the radius of the wheel rim and to insert a plastic sleeve which will take a short length of spring wire soldered onto copper strip on the inside, the outer end of the spring wire would be bent against the rear of the wheel rim with a tiny contact pad of phospher bronze strip soldered on as a collector shoe... hopefully this will not act as a brake and place stress on the motor. I intend to make the front set, the second and fourth sets of driving wheels current collectors and obviously the loco will be going over to DCC at some point.

    So my ask is what are folks thoughts on the best shape to bend the spring wire in order to maintain wheel contact... the inner end of the wire is soldered to the copper strip so that will anchor the wire into the desired position. Here is a picture of the loco frame with wheel rim diameter score marking made in readyness to drill holes for the pick ups. I'll put more photos up if needed and appreciate all comments and advice... once a design has been worked on I'll point back onto the Spaceship build again.

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  2. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    Good morning Paul,

    This is one of those situations where split axles would have been the perfect solution.
    The high boiler pitch will make pretty much any solution visible so I would plan to try to route the wires from the pickups down the frames and run along just above the bottom of the frames where they will be less visible.

    In theory your proposal should work, but I would forget the phosphor bronze pads. I say this because in my experience they will be a complete pain to solder on and if you do get them on they will inhibit what you can do with the wres in terms of placement, twisting them into the best position etc. with the attendant risk of snapping the joint in the process. a simple small loop of the end of the spring wire is just as effective.

    As to the shape to bend them, that will very much depend on how much space you have between frame and wheel back and it may differ from wheel to wheel depending on what's in the way.
    I would attempt to bend them like this but I have to say that it doesn't always work out that way in the end.
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    If you are using that solution again on your loco I would try to site the copperclad pad and hole as low down the frames as you can to hopefully reduce the view of them when looking under the boiler.
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Thank you Rob and Brian for all your kind advice, I think I can insert copperclad pads down below in the frames and wires can connect to the fourth wheelset copperclad pad by running below the cross bulkheads and out of sight. If I drill the holes at the 10 o'clock position on wheels and 2 o'clock on the other side the spring wires can be held firm in place at certain places in the bulkhead cross plates and insulated with small pieces of plastic tube. I'll discard the phospher bronze strip as yes its a real pain soldering small pieces unless its a long wiper piece spring against the wheel flange as I did on the Fowler 2-6-4 tank... I also have to avoid the double compensation beams bur this route seems certainy doable. I'll post pictures as it happens. Thanks again chaps your responses are really much appreciated.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Paul

    Sorry for the late reply, but can't miss addind my tuppence worth.

    Firstly I'd wire up the tender - all 3 axles, this will then ease the load on the drivers.

    One option may be to split the brake assemblies into two sides, insulate the brake gear mounting points and use the brake shoes etc as wiper pickups.

    By using the tender as primary pickups, you may get away with only picking up on the 1st and 4th or 2nd and 4th. The two inner wheels would be obscured by the 1st, 3rd and 5th wheels. In total you'd still have pickups on 5 axles, spread over a fairly long distance.

    Paul
     
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    I've used the dcc concepts gold plated pickups and fitted them to thin 3mm copper clad after modifying them, cos they are 00 you get two for
    the price of one:thumbs:

    Ken
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Thanks Paul, the tender is ready sorted for pick up wipers on all three axles... I've done this on the Patriot and Caprotti tenders. The ist set of drivers is best as thereis a hidden pocket of space within the frames just behind the cylinder block... the fourth wheelset also has a nicely placed inner shelf within the frames and again access is easy and unseem. The brake hanger concept is good but some of the hanger castings whilst look visually god from the outside have really poorly cast fixing pins so I think it would be a lot of faff to do on this kit. I'll go with 1st and 4th wheels wiper pick up and allthree sets on the tender.
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    I'll check these out Ken as I've not heard of them before despite parusing the Gaugemaster web site... must have missed them. Thank you for the heads up.:thumbs:
     
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    post 3 gives a web site
     

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