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Connoisseur Models LMS Fowler 4F

Discussion in 'Kits, Kit bashes & Scratch builds' started by Toto, Sep 2, 2017.

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  1. Sep 2, 2017 #1
    Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    I was keen on buying one of these and when I saw a built model at the Telford exhibition ...... I had to have one. Absolutely beautiful kit.

    Photo's will follow.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  2. Sep 3, 2017 #2
    Toto

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    Man ....... I am in awe at these kits. they are a thing of beauty. :avatar:
    Here is the 4F.
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    sturdy box but wont take the finished kit. Could be some Ellis Clark boxes coming on.
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    Destructions for the Loco and tender.
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    A whole array of white metal parts and some other bits for pick ups etc as well as a per rolled boiler.
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    various brass wire etc.
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    the etches for the chassis .....
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    and more etched parts in brass this time ...... absolutely fantastic stuff......... and last but by no means least ....
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    a loco crew. terrific.
    cheers for now
    toto
     
  3. Sep 3, 2017 #3
    SMR CHRIS

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    The humble 4F
    Looks like a very nice kit
    Nice etches
    Toto a few more wagons and you be itching to get to this.
    And as Pete said in one of the other posts with a lot of these white metal parts glueing is the way to go.

    I purchased a C11 4-4-2 tank that had been professionally built and then also professionally painted, from one of Jims etched kits in the U.K. It was offered for sale by the professional builder she is often featured in the model press it looked to be very well built and painted to museum standard, and the price wasn't much more than the kit value, I was very happy with it when it arrived it ran well, but to my surprised about 12 mths later the rear of the buffer beam and bunker parted company with the rest of the model one day whilst pulling a small train.
    On inspection I found it was glued on with Super glue, on further inspection the entire model was constructed with super glues of various types including the Chassis. What looked like nice filets of solder were in fact super glue gel with model having been primed and painted it all looked perfect.
    I ended up putting all the parts in very hot water and most of it turned back into a kit and I started again and soldered it all together
    So the, so called professional builders use a lot of glue if it's good for them should be good for you just solder the parts that really need it like the Chassis and loco structure but a lot of the small parts glue is the way to go.
     
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    Toto

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    I will do Chris. The white metal and some of the super small detail parts I think.
    cheers
    toto
     
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    Toto

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    Looks like this kit is about to surface at last. Hopefully within the next couple of weeks after my coach build ( another connoisseur models kit ) is done.

    This will be my first attempt at a tender loco and if the truth be known ..... it's the tender I am looking forward to most. Keep your eyes peeled as it's on it's way shortly.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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    Rob Pulham

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    The Fowler tender with it's straight sides should get you started on the build nicely.
     
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    Toto

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    Hi Rob,

    I've been through these instructions dozens of times since buying the kit and bit by bit they are falling into place. I think I have tackled about 85 % of the skill set over the last few builds and really the most challenging will be the forming of the smoke box and some of the smaller fiddly bits. I'm not too phased by it. I dare say it will present some challenges for me along the way but that's part of the learning process and the promotion onto more advanced kits.

    I'll just take my time and not put myself under any undue pressure with it. All going well, it will be completed to a reasonable standard and have me keen to tackle the next build ( which looks like the other Ramsbottom but that could of course change ).

    I'll have a look and see if there are any castings that I'd like to change out or addition items I'd like to add. Any opinions on that more than welcome.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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    Rob Pulham

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    If you really want to go to town on the brass work I think that MM1 models may do a super detail kit for their former JLRT 4F kit which they supply separately. Not cheap but good value in my opinion. - but then I spent around £250 or so on castings for my A6 tank
     
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    Toto

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    Hi Rob,

    I think super detailing is a little out of my depth for now anyway. Maybe just a couple of upgrades or enhancements would be ok. I'm looking at the tender axle boxes for example. My experience so far is that these items are usually amongst the first to become casualties so lost wax may offer a more durable solution for these.

    Toto
     
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    paul_l

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    So when is the propsed start date for the build - may join you on this one permisson from the finacial controller to place an order has been granted :D don't know what the pay back will be tho' :twitch: :twitch: :whatever:

    Paul
     
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    Toto

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    As soon as the coach build is over Paul so you are looking at about a fortnight's time.

    Sharpen your soldering iron. :avatar:

    Toto
     
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    Finished includes paint - it will take longer than that for you to find where you put the safely stored the airbrush :avatar:.
     
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    1 fully loaded Connoisseur 4F Kit + Wheels, Motor, Gears and Plunger pickups getting parcelled up and on its way :handshake: thanks Jim for the fast response.

    Just got to wait for the postie - at least I can download the instructions and drool over them while I'm waiting :avatar:

    Paul
     
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    Toto

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    Very good, this will separate the men from the boys. :avatar:not that I'm stirring it or anything. ;) better start getting your head around these instructions ..... the smoke box ...... oooooooo . Bogie man material. Definitely no mind games here. I wouldn't do that ..... unfair and not sportsmanship like ..... definitely not. :avatar:

    Toto :D:D:D
     
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    Rob Pulham

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    Outside of the MM1 SDK you may struggle to find lost wax castings for the tender axleboxes, unless Laurie Griffin does them? I haven't built a 4F so I have never really looked as to what ,ight be available for them as upgrades.

    Andy at Ragstone has Fowler tenders in his range but I suspect that the axlebox castings will still be in whitemetal.
     
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    jakesdad13

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    I haven't built Jims 4F but I did build his J39, I started with the tender and it went together like a dream. I also fitted pickups on the tender wheels and wired it through to the loco with a miniature 2 pin plug and socket so the tender could be removed for maintenance etc.

    Cheers, Pete.
     
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    Toto

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    I like that idea Pete.

    where did you get the 2 pin plug ?

    toto
     
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    I got it from a local electronics shop in Chesterfield but you can get them online. They are advertised regularly in the model mags. Or you could get some via PaulL from Merg if you ask him nicely, I imagine they are something they supply.

    Cheers, Pete.
     
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    Toto

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    No worries .... I'll talk to his nibs. :thumbs:
     
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    you could also grovel, and I'll try and find the bundle of 50 I have and send you some :avatar:

    Paul
     
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