Great Chesterford Junction Part Two

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  1. Walkingthedog

    Walkingthedog Full Member

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    Just out of interest where did you get the idea for vertical bricks on the platform edge.

    I didn’t notice the cup until you mentioned it.
     
  2. gormo

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    Hello Brian,
    I don`t know.......can`t remember, but I`ve seen it somewhere........or maybe I imagined it.......who knows ?????? :scratchchin:
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  3. Walkingthedog

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    Thanks, just looks unusual.
     
  4. Gary

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    The High Wycombe retaining wall is about 36" thick at the base and is not entirely vertical. Looks like it was built with a 4:1 ratio, hence why there are no buttress to be seen. ;)


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    'Tis a mighty long wall with an abundance of buddleia.
     
  6. Gary

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    Hi Gormo,

    I know we discussed a possible small engine facility at Bamford, I'm wondering if you don't decide on an engine facility, have you given any thought about adding detail items like a water column and a small coal stage at the station ?

    For example...


    Cheers, Gary.
     
  7. gormo

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    G`day Gary,
    I`ve definitely thought about water facilities because I have a round tank on a column set up, but I`m still not sure about the look of it........a standard water column would be less intrusive.
    The coal bunker is a good idea in that position as it makes sense...... I reckon I could just about build that.
    The only place for an engine shed would be on a storage siding / head shunt so I think it`s better to keep the storage, plus I`m looking at having a timber business plus a coal merchant.
    Bamford is starting to fill up.........:avatar::avatar:
    I`ve been mulling over the cattle dock position too and thinking of placing it still on the goods shed road but more towards the ruined castle end....:scratchchin:
    Actually I haven`t put any thought at all into today as we`re doing a bit of a clear out hear at home and re-organizing the storage in the joint...:whatever:
    Thanks for the ideas and the input.......much appreciated.....:thumbs:
    :tophat:Gormo
    PS.....I seem to have replied to the correct post from another post.......Oh dear...:facepalm:
    OK.....got it all sorted.....what`s going on.......?????????????
     
  8. Gary

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    I should have drawn the water column more akin to a GWR ! This time I placed it between the tracks rather the end of the platform... ;) I'm pretty sure Ratio do a water column that resembles the GWR coloumn.


    Cheers, Gary.
     
  9. gormo

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    Yes that all makes perfect sense Gary and suits the area......that`s a keeper....:thumbs:
    :tophat:Gormo
     
  10. Walkingthedog

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    I like this type if you don’t already have a water tank nearby.

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  11. gormo

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    Very practical Brian but it will dominate that end of the layout.........I will stick with the Ratio water column.
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  12. gormo

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    G`day Folks,
    We have been rather busy here at Gormo HQ over the last few days and consequently there has been not much happening on the railway.
    I found some time this afternoon however, to get a few things done though.
    First thing was to create a little green area at the end of the row of shops opposite the station building.
    A short piece of paving was required to be added first next to the last building........then static grass was applied over a base of PVA..... this area is still drying off and will be vacuumed in the next day or so.


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    Then made a tree to go into the green area.......this tree was made with an armature from a Plum tree twig.
    Polyester cushion filling was then drawn across the armature to attain the basic shape. The shape was then sprayed Brown with a rattle can. The paint in effect, glues the Polyester fibers to the armature and it goes fairly stiff once the paint dries. The dry tree is them covered with various shades of green flocking secured and over sprayed with cheap hairspray..


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    A hole was drilled up through the trunk and a stiff wire was inserted. The wire was cut off approximately 20 mm below the base of the trunk. The same size hole was drilled through into the baseboard and the tree was inserted into the scene.
    Various other little bits of flocking will be added around the base of the trunk , and here and there in the grass.


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    I am also developing a grass bank directly behind the station platform. To graduate the ground from platform height down to road level, I have added a few layers of paper towel strips and PVA .
    Then sprinkled fine gravel over the top of the last layer of wet PVA.
    When dry, the area will be covered with static grass and flocking and hemp bushes etc.........maybe even some small trees.......:scratchchin:


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    The addition of the tree has somehow created a minor 3D effect on the background building.
    The Aqua coloured shop front to the right of the tree, seems to have depth, and the sandwich board to the left of the tree looks like it is actually standing on the pathway........bonus....:thumbs:


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    More as it happens
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  13. gormo

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    G`day Folks,
    More fleeting moments spent with the railway this afternoon.
    The grass bank has been grassed and will dry overnight.


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    Then some platform fencing was added.........it still needs a gate between it and the building.


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    From the side rarely seen


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    You can see the gap fro the gate in this pic.


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    I`ve got some stairs to make for the approach to the station building and also I need to pick up a couple of telephone boxes.
    I was tempted to add some more grass in the yard, but will hang off until some more buildings are sorted out.
    I find a static grass applicator in my hand makes me want to grass everything in sight, a bit like a chainsaw, once you start up a chainsaw, look out anything that can be cut down......:headbanger::hammer:

    :tophat:Gormo
     
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  14. Gary

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    Nice, very nice mate.

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  15. gormo

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    Thanks Gary......:thumbs::tophat:
    Gormo
     
  16. gormo

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    G`day Folks,
    Another tree has been made and fitted this afternoon. It`s only a temporary fit for the moment as there is still stuff to do around this area.


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    A view from the town side


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    Then fitted the gate next to the station building.


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    :tophat:Gormo
     
  17. gormo

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    Magazine style pic.jpg
     
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    G`day Folks,
    In respect of the picture in the previous post........is it ethical that the magazines in the hobby Photoshop images of layouts.........:scratchchin:
    My own opinion is that the layouts shown in these publications, should be shown warts and all, however they should also be presented from their best side to be fair.
    I think that some of the images presented in the present crop of model railway publications, are absolutely beautiful however they beg the question, " what has been made by the modeller, and what is Photo-shopped...?????
    I buy my magazines randomly, no subscriptions, and I am persuaded to buy by content and possibly by pictures of a beautiful layout that may give me some inspiration or ideas.
    My concern is that these beautiful publications may indeed inspire modellers with their beautiful images, but on the other hand they may give someone new to the hobby a feeling of inadequacy in that they may think they will never be able to attain those high standards.
    The magazines are all in competition for our dollars , so it is important to catch your eye with some outstanding image, and a change of policy is unlikely , so buyer beware.
    Below are some examples of my untrained attempts at modifying images.
    The original image which has been rotated to level, Gamma has been adjusted, Contrast has been adjusted and focus enhanced, however there is a picture on the wall, you can see the trim on top of the low wall on the right and varying contrast on the backgrounds.


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    Here we have the same image with walls, pictures etc cropped out and some of the background above the terraced shops has been cropped out too.
    A blue sky background has then been inserted into the void.


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    Not happy with the previous sky, a different sky has been put in. The central part of the background between the trees above the black cab, has had it`s grass cloned from
    under the footbridge and the tree area in the same location has had it`s exposure reduced. Where the clouds meet the hills and trees, they have been smudged to soften and blend them in.
    Grass has also been cloned in between the tracks on the left.


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    In addition to the modifications above, the clouds have had some dark areas added and smudged / blended in with the main body of cloud.


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    I hope this illustrates my point.........picture one , even though enhanced, shows the true state of play, whereas the last picture above here gives a completely false impression of this part of the railway as it stands at the moment.
    I am just a mug punter with free software when it comes to these changes, so just imagine what a professional can do with the right training and the right software.....:scratchchin:
    As I said previously........buyer beware.
    :tophat:Gormo
     
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    Very interesting Gormo. Have to say I prefer the original. Also I don’t like pictures that have added steam and smoke.
     
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    Hello All, a very interesting demonstration of how digital manipulation could be (and is) used to crate a false narrative. Think of Real Estate images where power poles, street furniture, etc, was eliminated, this practice (at least in Victoria) is now illegal, but how many manipulated photos end up on display, and are not detected. From a different perspective, some For Sale photos say, in the fine print, that some interior images are enhanced with added furniture, due to the property actually being empty. The justification here is that an empty room looks small, and the digital furniture will give prospective buyers a reasonable indication of the empty room's capacity, but just how reliable would this image be ? Have visited bedrooms where the image implies a double Queen size bed, but on inspection is a wide singe bed dressed up as a double, and bed side furniture was "compact" which is also difficult to detect in an image.
    On the other hand, photographic image manipulation is not new, Man Ray (1890-1976) an American photographer, surrealist, and Dadaist artist who primarily lived in Paris, France ( he may have even gone to Paris, Texas !) was famous for his manipulated B&W photos of the 1920s & 1930s.
    There is also a large colour photo in the NGV/National Gallery of Victoria, StKilda Rd, Melbourne, which for a long time was assumed to be an accurate landscape photo of urban Paris scene between the wars, only to have recently (last decade or so) been discovered to be a reconstructed photo montage so well done that it escaped detection for decades. (I understand the photo was purchased from a dealer many decades ago, and it is quite likely that neither the dealer, nor the purchaser were aware that the image was a photo montage.) In this particular instance, the fact that the image is a reconstruction does not detract from its merit as a photographic image, and nor is it pretending to be an "accurate" image of something at a particular point in time, therefore it is not intentionally fraudulent.
    Then you get the images by, for example, the Australian documentary photographer, Frank Hurley (1885-1962) famous for his Antarctic Expedition, and AIF WW1 and WW2 photos, who, it was later discovered, had a series of sky backdrop images he used to "enhance" the image.(The iconic, and much reproduced photo of three Australian soldiers in the WW2 battle at Tobruk, with a lovely cloud formation in the background, comes to mind) The actual focus of the photo was not manipulated, but the sky background certainly enhanced the artistry of the image. But does this change the "truth" of this photo ?
    It should also be pointed out that enhanced sky backgrounds was a common practice by professional photographers, and for many years was not considered to be a deceptive practice, especially when film stocks technical limitations meant that under some actual lighting conditions, certain portions of a real setting's image (including clouds) just could not be reproduced photographically, hence a stock of background enhancements was a necessary adjunt to selling images to clients. (Think photographic grey images of locomotives for example, where the actual, non photographic grey image would not reproduce the required image needed for record keeping.) As film technology dramatically improved post WW2, enhanced backgrounds were no longer required, so many years later people were surprised/shocked/appalled to find out that "real" images were "manipulated" so that what you saw, and presumed, were an accurate, in field, image, was in fact the result of studio based enhancements.
    The problem becomes in defining what is "artistic enhancement" where the focus of the image was real, compared to "manipulated enhancement" where the image was "amended" to produce a false narrative. ( The photo of Messrs Voroshilov,Molotov,Stalin, and Yezhov [head of the NKVD] at the opening of the Moscow-Volga Canal in 1937 comes to mind. After Yezhov was purged and shot, subsequent reproductions of this image lacked Yezhov.) (Which reminds me of the story that Stalin had a heroic painting of Lenin detraining at Moscow Finlandia station in October 1917 commissioned in 1937. The painter, Mikhail G. Sokolov, 1885-1947, wisely chose to include Stalin standing in the doorway of the carriage from which Lenin had descended, thereby showing Stalin both higher than, and in the background behind, Lenin, and depicting Stalin both as Lenin's loyal deputy, and rightful successor. Stalin was actually in the Caucasus at that time. Trotsky was expelled from the USSR in February, 1929, as part of the 1929-1930 Operation Spring purge "cleansing of the party ranks". Stalin also instigated the 1932-1935 purge, and the Great Purge 1936-1938, whilst the artist Sokolov spent 1938-1943 in a Siberian Labour Camp.) (Another aside, the 1917 October Revolution did not interrupt the tram service, and at least some participating Revolutionary comrades reportedly caught the tram to the Winter Palace, I hope they purchased the appropriate ticket.)
    The problem these days, is that the wide and easy access to digital manipulation technology implies that all images in all circumstances are potentially false, and understanding the context of the image you are viewing, is as important as the image and supporting text you are observing.
    Regards to all, Echidna.
     

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