NSR 10T Covered Wagon

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  1. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Not sure if this is in the right location, this is not a kit, kitbash and technically not a scratch build.

    So, my book on NSR (North Staffordshire Railway) wagons and the cover photo took my fancy.

    I dusted off my copy of AutoCad's 123D and thought I'd have a go at an O gauge wagon

    After 2 evenings work we have

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    Still needs more strapping added but it's comming on, and more importantly it will fit on the Anycubic Photon build plate.

    The roof is seperate

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    After the remaining iron work I will start on the chassis. Not sure wether to make it all in resin or to do the W irons in brass.

    Paul
     
  2. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Excellent work Paul on your scratch .... erm .... kit ..... erm ...... wagon design and build. I think your W irons maybe better in brass as resin maybe too brittle/ delicate. Just my thoughts.

    I'll be interested to see how this pans out as I know the detail that can be achieved with 3 D printing. I'm sure this will be a winner.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Order for three please Mr Dundee, just tell me what the price is and I'll BAC's the money over.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Now there's confidence - not even seen the finished model.

    A little further work this morning

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    Ironmongery on the ends, the next bit is interesting as curves round the corner and joins cross bracing on the side panels.

    Maybe a little later .....

    Paul
     
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    Me too! Two please.
     
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    There you are Paul, retirement business sorted!:avatar:

    Keith.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    They won't let me go yet - I have to decommission the place before I can leave, and we're not allowed in at the moment :facepalm:

    They have to see it first :giggle:

    Paul
     
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    I'm surprised Mr S hasn't put his order in yet.
     
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    Been busy with work this afternoon, so progress has been slow, but there is some progress

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    Rivet detail will be added once I have completed the iron work

    Paul
     
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    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Mr S was busy AT work! (Well getting ready to travel to)

    Great work Dundee! Coming along nicely. Will compliment my other NSR models nicely. :thumbs:

    I have an OO wagon that ran on the NSR (but was a BR wagon) and also have similar issues re what to do for the chassis. There is one surviving at the Battlefield line, so at some point may have to make a trip over. Obviously the bonus with 3D drawing is you can simply resize it and print it (within reason of thicknesses) so my MTV could also go O eventually. But that’s a way off yet.
     
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    Almost there on the ends

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    Another photo shows the bottom plate in the middle to be an inverted t shape - nuts

    No rest for the wicked

    Paul
     
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    Done, and the bracket cleaned up in the top front corner

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    Now to redo the sides rivets and thin the brackets down a bit

    Paul
     
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    Thinning down the hinges - Top as is, bottom after a diet


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    And now the bad news - tried the body on the build plate - it's 8mm too long for the build plate, :headbanger: but could be printed at a 30 degree angle - down size it will take approx 20 hours to print against less than 8 hours to print if it was flat. Looks like another print waiting for the large printer :whatever:

    I'm on a roll at the moment so will continue with this, you never know when I will be able to get the larger printer.

    Paul
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    No worries Dundee as our leader will say my order can wait, at least for now all the ground work will be complete and printing on a larger bed will be whenever. Great project though all the same.:tophat::thumbup:
     
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    Once I've thinned stuff down then I'll start on the chassis.

    Here is some homework for you, as the frame has a casting with the wagon number on it, do you have a number range, the two photo's in the book show 5427 & 5489, and the numbers you would be looking for ?. Thought of making a range of say 10.

    Next decision is whether to use brass or resin W irons, and compensated or fixed.

    Paul
     
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    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    I dont think resin is strong enough Paul. I'd go with brass or white metal.

    Toto
     
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    I'd certainly agree with that Paul... white metal axle and grease boxes can have a locating nib which fits into the printed solebar making for a nice snug fit. Buffers were simple thin round affairs they can be cast in white metal too as can the brake gear if preferred.
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Here is a little bit of research information regarding the North Stafford covered wagon fleet. The NSR owned 345 vans of which the two main types were 8 ton on a nine foot wheelbase and a 10 ton van on a thirteen foot wheelbase, this latter van was a stretched version of the 8 tonner. In 1912 the NSR placed an order for fifty 10 ton covered vans with (edit Gloucester ) Metropolitan Railway Carriage & Wagon, these vans carried the GRC&W crest shaped cast builders plate to the left of the cast rectangular NSR number plate located on the solebar beneath the left side opening door, the smaller rectangular cast 10 ton weight plate was to the right of the number plate. I cannot confirm if the Gloucester built vans were to a 10 foot wheelbase or not but pictures suggest so.

    Now as far as historians can say much of the original NSR recorded data of fleet numbering and build records had been lost many years ago when a major fire occurred at Stoke station in 1932, the fire took place in the bonded warehouse against the canalside on Glebe Street Stoke where all NSR records were kept on the third floor, some records were salvaged and saved but much was lost, hence the major gaps and few estate plans. After the fire the third storey was demolished which is why when you see the existing blue brick building today it is only a two storey affair with a replacement steel warehouse behind which backs onto what was the sixteen sidings and goods avoiding lines behind Stoke station.

    We know the Metropolitan vans were numbered in the 54xx series, the 8 ton vans in the 55xx and the 13 foot wheelbase 10 ton vans in the 60xx series but that is all. Doctor Jack Hollick of Ashbourne made an inventory in the 1950's of NSR wagon numbers many of which survived as sheds on farms but this was far from comprehensive and complete, the LMS renumbered the serviceable NSR wagons using their D shape registration plates and some ex NSR grounded vans had been seen as far apart from home territory as Wales and Scotland. What we also know is that NSR wagons had very long lives some lasting for over fifty years in service, mainly rebuilt with differing features and often when withdrawn a replacement wagon carried the same number forward, so things were haphazard particularly amongst open wagons.

    Finally one feature to note on an NSR wagon is that the central Vee iron on the brake bracket is a V shape and does not have the parallel end tails which fit to the solebar as per standard RCH spec drawings, brakes acted separately on each side as well. Here is a drawing of other NSR covered vans, hope this information is of some help.

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  19. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Bring on the resin masters for the white metal parts ..... may as well volunteer before I am coersed.

    Post down 2 or 3 locks worth as I am as well filling a mould and maximising the potential success rate.

    C'mon ....... I'm waiting you know. :avatar:


    You maybe want to consider breaking arrangements as well whilst you are at it. Any holes etc for connecting rods will probably need to be drilled out but that's no big deal. I'll even do that with my new found drilling facility. :avatar:

    Connecting roads can also be white metal.

    Another advantage there will be the additional weight.

    Toto
     
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    I see a team coming together here Toto with you as parts supplier from the Edinburgh casting works and me as historical researcher where the records are kept at York.:thumbs: Brake shoe connecting push rods and/or blocks should be cast along with W irons, springs and axle boxes combined, so can the buffer collars be cast in WM.

    Maybe a just a few thoughts here to fill up a mould disc.
     
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