Resurrecting a Duchess...

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  1. Wolseley

    Wolseley Full Member

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    The latest is the City of Nottingham, one of the wartime batch of non-streamlined Duchesses with the curved footplate. It was also one of the few painted in British Railways lined black, before the final livery choices had been decided on. This one is a repainted Dublo Duchess of Montrose:

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    I’ve just been looking to see how many Coronations/Duchesses I have accumulated, and it seems that I have quite a few more than I originally intended. I also seem to have been getting them faster than I can finish them. The streamliners (identified in the list below with "S") are all early Tri-ang/Hornby ones that are being converted to three rail (without the benefits of Magnadhesion they’re pretty gutless things, so I’ll have to do something about that). The remainder are Dublo, with a couple of Wrenn thrown in. Here’s the tally so far:

    6220 (S): Coronation (LMS crimson lake to be finished with bell and headlight - not started yet)

    6221 (S): Queen Elizabeth (LMS blue - not started yet)

    6227 (S): Duchess of Devonshire (shop grey - not started yet)

    46230: Duchess of Buccleuch (BR blue with LNWR style lining - not started yet)

    6231: Duchess of Atholl (LMS crimson lake - standard Dublo finish)

    46232: Duchess of Montrose (BR lined green - standard Dublo finish)

    46232: Duchess of Montrose (BR lined green - gloss Dublo finish)

    6233: Duchess of Sutherland (LMS crimson lake - partly done)

    6234: Duchess of Abercorn (LMS blue-grey - finished)

    46236: City of Bradford (LMS lined black with BR number and British Railways on tender - almost finished)

    6241 (S): City of Edinburgh (LMS crimson lake - almost finished)

    46241: City of Edinburgh (BR lined green - finished)

    46242: City of Glasgow (BR blue - three-railed Wrenn - finished)

    46243 (S): City of Lancaster (BR black - not started)

    6244 (S): King George VI (LMS black - not started)

    46245: City of London (BR red - standard Dublo finished - originally two-rail Dublo, three railed)

    46251: City of Nottingham (BR lined black - finished)

    6252: City of Leicester (LMS wartime black - finished)

    6256: Sir William A. Stanier, F.R.S. (LMS lined black - not started - I have a Wrenn City of Glasgow minus a tender that I’ll probably use for this one))

    Canadian Pacific Dublo replica (finished)

    I think I have another Dublo Duchess of Montrose somewhere in a box, but I can't lay my hands on it at the moment.....
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Thing is Wolseley we didn't want to tell you because we were all hoping you'd model the whole fleet... in fact that seems like a great idea but where is 46254 City of Stoke on Trent? Absolutely loving this thread... keep 'em coming I say.:tophat::tophat::tophat::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
     
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    Wolseley I totally agree with Yorky, I had a feeling you were silently on the way to at least one of each.

    With a class of only 38 and 19 models already your well on the way to covering the entire class so why stop I say
    The more the merrier
    It’s been great following the addition’s to your fleet
    Now they say we all need a hobby and collection of a complete class of locos in model form is well within the realms of a Hobby within a Hobby.

    Now I know of a gent who has a model in HO scale of at least one of every NSWGR 48 Class Alco now that class has 165 members :facepalm: so with only 38 in the Duchess Class see its as a bucket list challenge.:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    Its rather like wagons built for limited traffic (the dumb buffered 8 wheeled armour plate carrying monstrosity that the Midland built). We get them and have them "just coz". I'm tempted to do every single Brecon and Merthyr iron mink. Similar dimensions as the Ratio GWR mink kit, only 15 built and yet find a picture of a B&M goods train that doesnt have at least one mink that doesnt say GW on the side. Crack on and have all the Duchesses says I.
     
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    Thanks for the heads up. I saw your post in late July (I don't always log in every day) and would have replied earlier were it not for me unexpectedly ending up in Norwest Private Hospital for over a week. I'm home and on the mend now though, so hopefully I can call in at the Thornleigh exhibition.

    The Duchess seems to have been sold, but not to me. The Duchess of Montrose, together with the BR 0-6-2T, is probably the commonest of all the Dublo locomotives, so only near mint, boxed examples (of which this appears to have been one) are worth this sort of money. I already have two Duchesses of Montrose in excellent condition (but unboxed - but then I collect locomotives and rolling stock, not boxes) and I am only now seeking out cheap playworn examples for repainting. My latest is a Duchess of Montrose which I am repainting in pre-war LMS red as the Duchess of Sutherland - the only Duchess to run in pre-war livery while fitted with smoke deflectors. It's only partly finished, so no photos yet.....
     
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    I'm slowing up on my collection of Duchesses now to concentrate on other things but, who knows, maybe in a few years time....
     
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    Oh dear. After saying that I wasn't likely to be buying any more Duchesses for a while, I have gone and got myself a Wrenn City of Stoke on Trent, in LMS post-war lined black. Next job now is to convert it to three-rail and to fit a proper coupling instead of that tension lock thing......
     
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    What a mint loco to own Wolseley... (4)6254 City of Stoke on Trent... that's the next one on my build list. What a shame Stoke City Council turned down the offer from BR to have the loco donated for public display as was the case with City of Birmingham.
     
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    Here she is, together with the City of Bradford (a three railed and repainted City of London) for comparison. Sorry if the photos aren't of the best quality, but they were taken indoors at night time.

    Also, as you can see from the bundles of wires and tag strips, construction of my layout is about to enter its next phase.

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    I have just been going through my collection of Duchesses, checking to see what work needs to be done and, now that I have an ammeter and multimeter, how well (or otherwise) the locos are performing. Now I have so many other things on the go (including a stash of Caledonian and Highland white-metal kits to put together) that I don't think I'll be adding any more Stanier pacifics to my collection for some time, but here's how things stand at the moment:

    6220 Coronation Crimson lake streamlined with bell and headlamp
    Still to be done

    6221 Queen Elizabeth Blue streamlined
    Still to be done

    6229 Duchess of Hamilton Grey streamlined
    Still to be done

    6230 Duchess of Buccleuch BR blue
    Still to be done

    6231 Duchess of Atholl Original Dublo finish
    In running order

    46232 Duchess of Montrose Original Dublo finish
    In running order (have one in gloss and one in matt finish)

    6233 Duchess of Sutherland Pre-war crimson lake with smoke deflectors
    This one was drawing more than 1 amp on full power, but a change of magnet sorted that out. The mechanism needs to be cleaned and lettering and lining to be done

    6234 Duchess of Abercorn LMS experimental blue-grey
    Finished

    46236 City of Bradford LMS lined black with "British Railways" on tender
    Minor touching up of lining to do

    6238 City of Carlisle Crimson lake streamlined
    Still to be done - this was to have been the City of Edinburgh (I have two sets of nameplates for it) but I've changed my mind.......

    46241 City of Edinburgh BR Green with late logo
    Finished

    46242 City of Glasgow Wrenn blue livery
    Finished

    6244 King George VI Wartime black streamlined with cut-back tender
    Still to be done

    46245 City of London Original Dublo (maroon) finish
    In running order

    6251 City of Nottingham BR black with LNWR lining
    In running order

    6252 City of Leicester LMS wartime black with streamlined tender
    Finished

    6254 City of Stoke-on-Trent Wrenn lined LMS black
    In running order

    6256 Sir William A. Stanier LMS lined black
    Still to be done (Comet Models pony truck to be used in conversion)

    Canadian Pacific Duchess
    Finished.
     
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    Wolesley looking at your list you have an impressive collection of locos, finished or ready to start work on.:thumbup:
     
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    Just to have something well and truly different, I'm going to change the tender on the City of Bradford to an Austerity bogie turret tender, to represent the loco as it ran on the Southern region during the 1948 Locomotive Exchange Trials (no water troughs on the Southern). I have a bid on eBay on a Bachmann tender top which, if I'm successful, will be painted black, lettered LMS and mated to a spare Dublo A4 tender chassis. I'll have to find a new use for its six wheel tender, which is finished in LMS lined black with "BRITISH RAILWAYS" on it. Now, where did I put that spare tenderless Wrenn "City of Glasgow"?
     
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    Hello All,

    those old Hornby Dublo / Wrenn die cast bodies are surprisingly well detailed in their bare metal state,

    Regards, Echidna
     
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    Hello All,

    have you tried AutoBarn for metal spray undercoat ? They can supply undercoat in a number of shades. You also have a choice of finish,

    Regards, Echidna
     
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    I can't say that I've even considered spray cans of auto touch up paint, but I'll bear that in mind.

    In the meantime, time to get some of those Duchesses running. The body of my City of Bristol is in excellent condition, so much so that I think I'll leave it as the City of Bristol rather than renaming and renumbering it. The tender it's coupled to at the moment looks rather scruffy, but I do have a better one somewhere in my odds and ends.

    The Duchess of Gloucester is a lesson in the need to carefully check photographs on eBay. I picked it up very cheaply but, when it arrived, I saw why no-one else wanted it. A previous owner had removed part of the streamlined fairing from around the cylinders on both sides, in what I imagine to be a hamfisted attempt to make it fit a Dublo chassis (it won't fit because the Dublo motor is a bit too wide) - at least that's what I assume the intention was, as it's the only thing that makes sense to me. As you can see, I am in the process of reconstructing the missing parts in styrene sheet. This is probably the one I will alter to represent "Coronation" as she was when touring the United States.

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    A few interesting things come from an examination of the bodies. Firstly, the Duchess of Gloucester (a later "Hornby" production) has much finer detail, and more of it than the other two, which are early Tri-ang/Hornby examples. Secondly, she has a single chimney, whereas the other two have double and, thirdly, the treatment of the roofs is different in each one: one is black except for the lower part, one is black only around the cab ventilator, and the other is all red. I did ask some time ago in another forum which was correct and got some very interesting responses (one not so interesting ones being from the forum's resident village idiot, who said that it didn't matter because they all ended up black anyway!). From what can be seen from the little photographic evidence that we have, it appears to me that all three versions may have been used at some time in thses engines' lives while wearing what Sir William Stanier insisted on calling their "carapace". So, except for the ones I am painting black or grey (yes, one of them did run in service for a while in shop grey) I will leave them as they are, and I don't think there's anyone alive who could tell me if I'm right or wrong.

    The one in the second photo, in that awful finish from Tri-ang/Hornby's gloss period, will end up in plain black (I intend to have two in black, King George VI with streamlined tender, and the City of Lancaster, with BR number (the only one to carry a BR number while still streamlined) and cut back tender.

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