Veers' Plank Project

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  1. Veers

    Veers Full Member

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    The moving could be one of two plans, it either happens immediately in december. Or is postponed for another 6 to 12 months.

    But either way, I didn't go as far as gosford. But couldn't find them. Chris said the same thing.
     
  2. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    Great looking rock Veers. What is your plan with it/them ??

    The 30mm and 50mm insulation foam can be found out in the trade area at Bunnings, where they keep cement, concrete, timber, roofing materials etc etc. I purchased 3 x 1200 x 600 x 50mm sheets from Bunnings myself recently and they had a stack 6' high, of each type.

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    I've been mostly immobile for the past two weeks and now that TAFE has finished, I've pulled out some books and looked over pictures of Sydney Central around the start of the 1950s.

    Just thinking what sort of design/layout would be good for the plank here. The end goal is for it to be linked to a Hawksbury River section, and a Newcastle Station section. To which it will be ran on two lines as per spec. So the end of each plank needs to end with the Up and Down lines respectively.

    The Hawksbury layout could be designed with the fiddle yard at the rear, allowing connections to both Central and Sydney. But haven't put much thought in here yet.

    As everything is in my head, I've tried to roughly put something to paper to share. I honestly prefer to work from sketches and drawings rather than the digital programs. But here is a dodgy paint diagram for reference.

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    Naturally, it depends on the plank size as to what will fit in. I'm just trying to figure out what would be a good option to run with.
    - Single Platform down the middle with rail either side including the central track.
    - As above with half platform on viewing side or far side.
    - Platforms either side and 3 rail in the centre only.
    - Mix, as per Central layout 1940/50s

    I'm rather flexible with how it will come together, due to the restrictions involved. So I wonder if it will look better with a single platform, half a platform infront, or half and half with the lines down the middle. Probably the better option regarding layout space.

    So it's going to be interesting when I get to pulling the foam out onto the bench and figuring this part out. Ideally, would be nice to run the loco and two to three cars. But I need to remember, these are planks. Small, easy to transport. I can't run a full HUB set behind a 38.

    Well... I Could. And probably Will. But that isn't the point.
     
  4. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    I would highly recommend you download the free Anyrail track planning software. You get to play with 50 pieces of track... : https://www.anyrail.com/en

    This plan took me about 5 minutes to make up. I used SL-91 (right point), SL-92 (left points) and SL-97 (Wye) and some flexi and set track. The platforms are from the Hornby range...

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    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    How dos it work on a very large layout like my Dargan? I would love to show the folks just what it looks like but it seems like a very daunting computer project that I would probably like to spend the time on the layout rather than tear out my diminishing hair line to come to grips with?

    Cheers

    and happy modelling

    Richard
     
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    For your layout 'Dargan' Richard, you would have to purchase the licensed product from Anyrail, which is $69.00 (AUD). The full version (purchased) has a lot more in it than the 'free' version and updates are quite regular. The other opton is to use the free download and draw the track plan up in individual sections...

    In a way, I get out of it for nothing as I build small railways ! ;)

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    Thanks Gary

    Looks like I will purchase the full product.

    Cheers

    Richard
     
  8. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    It's easy to get the hang of the basics Richard. You will be up and running in no time. :thumbs:
     
  9. Veers

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    Reference for me as I keep forgetting.
    Hilux tub length/width1500 x 1100

    Foamboard1200 x 600

    This is the third time I've marked stuff down and keep forgetting/loosing it. So don't get any ideas about 'deleting' or 'altering' my post. :p
    Just so I know what size constraints I have to work within to fit the layout in the Hilux for transport. These will be exhibition layouts, a very ambitious project for some one in my position.
     
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    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Good idea Veer's with the measurements noted down, I ran the tape measure over my Ute this morning but can't remember how wide it was already :facepalm:
    now was that measurement between the wheel tubs or over them :avatar:
     
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    Mine is between the wheel. I'm 100% sure of that.

    For a change. Standby for a broad design of central. Cause I've realised I don't think I'll be able to fit this within my 3 plank design. We'll be going more.

    I also thought I had 3 foamboards, I only have two atm. Better make another trip to bunnings.
     
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    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Bunnings OoooooArrrrrr one of my favourite shops.

    It's funny how you think you can get the track plan ideas in you head within a certain space then as soon as you start all that space seems to have disappeared.
     
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    I would highly recommend the Anyrail programme. The diagram I drew above only used 32 individual items. Take out the platform sections and draw them in using the 'add line' feature so you can save on individual pieces. You can input your baseboard measurements, design you track plan and then print the whole plan out at 1:1. Once you have designed your track plan, you can export the diagram to any file on your computer. I save a copy in 'Downloads' and one in 'Pictures' so that I can add colour to it using Paint. ;)

    Also save a copy on Anyrail so that if any changes are needed, just open the file and make changes. Simples ! :D
    At least using this you will know it fits your requirement. :thumbs:

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    So I'm liking this idea.
    Anyrail design. Board dimensions are 1200mm by 400mm. Hence why it presently extends off the page, I resized it to the board rather than the maximum of 1500mm

    [​IMG]Central Design 1 by Aaron Smith, on Flickr

    I sat the foam down, pulled out some stock and old rail just to figure what it may look like.

    [​IMG]Scale Test by Aaron Smith, on Flickr

    I'll cut the foam down to 400mm wide rather than the planned 500mm (max). The offcut can then be used to make a second add-on of 600mm, which will hold most of the points and rail off the station.

    I reckon if I make the station length hold as the image, 2 carriages and locomotive. It will work the best for the overall layout size. A third carriage might just be a bit long for these sections.

    What are your thoughts?

    So:
    - 1200mm long, 400mm wide- Platforms either side- Add-on to fit rail and points. 600mm by 400mm- 2 carriages and locomotive.

    Downsides:- Will be crowded at the stations, I hope that the Hawksbury section will provide that nice, open, greenery scenery aspect.
     
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    I had a look at your plan and thought that the 'minories' type layout could work here...

    Rather than a 1500 long board, this plan could utilise two 1200mm x 400mm boards and you'll be able to exit all platform roads and be on the correct running lines.

    [​IMG]

    This plan has the Parcels Siding utilising the double slip and the plan below without the parcels siding and replacing the double slip with a left hand point.

    [​IMG]

    Please not that I have used Peco Streamlined points in these plans and the left and right points are SL-91 and SL-92.

    Cheers, Gary.

    EDIT* The join in the boards would be the first vertical line to the right of the lower platform.
     
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    I should have noted that I had Peco rail with the E95 & 96. I thought I had used the 91/92 but I guess not.

    The thing I'm worried about is by going with a entire board for Central is that it's going to increase the total size of this layout. Which still needs the Hawksbury and Newcastle Station.

    If I work on the assumption that each section needs two boards. 6 total. Guess I just need to make a better way to transport so many in the hilux. It's just the transportation I'm worried about. I guess 6 isn't that hard to fit. Two on the bottom, 3 or 4 across the top (in the tub with the last in the cabin).

    Should be fun to build that. Else I'd need a trailer or something. :/

    I like your idea better though Gary. How many carriages would you run on something this size?, as I looked at before. I was just going to run two plus locomotive. And possibly include a left turn out to a fiddle area built behind Hawksbury section.

    Maybe I should draw up an overall version of everything together and break it down from there.
     
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    The longest platform in the diagram is 1200mm. If I remember correctly, a C38 (HO scale) is approximately 280mm long, Lima 12 wheelers (MBE, MFE, TAM) are approximately 260mm long, so you would be able to get away with one loco, two coaches and a guards van (MHO ?). Personally I would like to see a minimum of 5 coaches and a guards van. The old Powerline FS and BS coaches could save you a little space as they are only 60' long coaches (210mm).

    You will need to also allow for the safe passage of the loco around the coaching stock when releasing it from it's train to run around.

    Generally at Central, the loco pulled up short, detached itself from the train then ran around. Perhaps you could incorporate a shunter engine that can release the train, allow the loco to be freed, then shunt the guards van to the end of the train (for departure) then push the coaches back onto the guards van.

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    I will have two Austrains C30s for such duties. (available early next year?)

    I have a lot more measurements to make it seems.
     
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    What coaching stock do you currently have ??

    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    I really, really need to take a new stock-take of what is here. This should be everything for this period. Ignoring the Victorian S class and some freight rolling stock/

    Locomotives
    Lima
    - 3801 - Green - DC
    - 3802 - Black - DC
    - 3830 - Green - ? (DCC)
    Eureka
    - 3803 - Black - DCC - Broken drive-train
    Austrains
    - Two C30 tank engines *due 2018*

    Rolling Stock
    Powerline
    1x MHO brake van - Tuscan/Russet
    4x 3801 Limited FS Coaches (awaiting delivery of two more) numbered EFS 2090
    5x FS cars in tuscan (2x first, 3x second) numbered BS 2152 (first) and FS 2021, 2133m 2095 (second)
    10x FS cars in tuscan/russet (3x first, 7x second) numbered BS 2173 (first) & FS 2021 (second)
    Eureka
    5x HUB in tuscan/russet (1x first, 2x buffet, 2x second) numbered car 1, 2, 3, 5, 7

    8x LCH coal hoppers
     

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