4 wheel Guards Van in O scale

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  1. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    As the title alludes to this is the build of a 4Wheel guards van in O scale

    It's an unusual kit in that it is a mixed bag of materials.

    Card, etched brass, white metal, lost wax cast brass, and nylon? Yes nylon this is for the chassis ladder frame more when I get to that.
    I'll start with this photo with the photo of a similar van behind the parts going together.
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    The Tools required so far just basic only item that is non standard kit are the cutters for cutting the etch from the fret nice and flush

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    Next is the laser cut card, inner sides forming the front form of the van with the White metal door and guards ducket
    All glued with quick set PVA

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    This photo shows the mix of parts of the door assembly

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    Next is a etched brass overlay for the card sections this is suggested in the kit to be glued I'm thinking I will solder the 3 pieces to be glued over the card frame or glue to the frame then then solder the corners ??
    Will work that out when I get to it.

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    Ok started this at 11:50pm and it's now 1:30 in the morning :facepalm: and time for bed I think probably could have got the sides on in the time it has taken to do this post, but then you would not be seeing this :avatar:
     
  2. ianvolvo46

    ianvolvo46 Staff Member Moderator

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    Great post yet again Chris cheers

    Ian
     
  3. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Nice build, and as you say a right mix of ingredients, just needs a bit of cast resin to get them all.

    Paul
     
  4. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    A neat job Chris. Looking forward to seeing the next installment.
    cheers
    toto
     
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    Very interesting kit mate, looking forward to the next instalment :thumbup:.

    Pete.
     
  6. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Thanks for all the nice words

    Sorry no next instalment yet as after spending all yesterday afternoon at the train club I was in no state last night to be able to Cary on the build had trouble just sitting so hopefully will get something done today and a few more photos.
    Etch brass overlay the card structure next wish me luck it's a new experience the hybrid materials lark!:avatar:

    Photo of a van similar to the one I'm trying to build
    This is a later modified one with the passanger compartment deleted and side bracing fitted.

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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Its interesting to see buffers and a buckeye coupling.

    Hope your backs bearable today

    Paul
     
  8. ianvolvo46

    ianvolvo46 Staff Member Moderator

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    You take your time mate it'll add to our suspense, but a fascinating build concept Chris. I almost want to build one myself (might change my mind when I see the chassis part) but as I'm oo it wouldn't make sense to the other 5/8ths

    Ian :tophat:
     
  9. jakesdad13

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    Cracking photo Chris :thumbup:, if you can get a similar finish to your model it will look great.
    Take care of your health mate, thats more important! updates when you are ready.

    Cheers, Pete.
     
  10. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi Chris,

    Sorry to here of the discomfort. Chill for a bit and try running some trains.

    Take it easy mate.

    Toto

    Ps hope you had a great time at your model rail club day out.
     
  11. paul_l

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    It was playing trains that caused the discomfort - see the dangers we put ourselves through for the hobby.

    Take it easy Chris, and pull your finger out :avatar:

    Paul
     
  12. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    paul_l wrote:
    Thanks every one for the well wishes

    And yes it was spending the afternoon up the train club that did it as possibly as well as the time spent getting the van to the box stage seen in the photos when I sould have been flat n my back in bed:avatar:

    Paul re the buffers and knuckle coupler
    We used both in Australia for some time and orignaly the knuckle would have had a D link and chain on top for coupling to link stock
    Many of our steam Locos never received Knuckle coupler's most that did received a knuckle were only on the tender.

    A little known fact is that the straight body short buffers (Cammel) in the photo where used on wagons with knuckle coupler's or that could later be retrofitted with knuckles these wagons would be fitted with an extention to the Cammel buffer as they are much shorter in length.
    The other bottle style (Turton) Buffers would only be found on link fitted wagons as per this photo below

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  13. SMR CHRIS

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    As referred to in the previous post here's an example of the short Cammel buffers fitted with extention's on a link fitted wagon,
    This wagon would never had Knuckle coupler's fitted due to the type of under-frame this is a preserved wagon. And that bottom bolt doesn't look like it's doing a good job:avatar:

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  14. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Started with the independent etch van end
    I used a emery board / nail file, to key the back of the brass and the card end of the van before using the fast set PVA to glue it in place also used 4 lengths of wire to align the piece as has holes for detail parts in both the card and brass parts, then placed some clamps on to secure.

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    It's an interesting concept in building a model, allbe it a slow one as you really need to wait some time between glueing parts.
    Next it's onto the other end of the van to repeat the process:thumbs:
     
  15. gormo

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    It`s an exercise in patience Chris but well worth the efffort.

    Lookin` good....:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

    http://www.click:tophat:Gormo
     
  16. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    You certainly don't stop for anything Chris. :avatar: You're doing a solid job of it all. Have you considered scratchbuilding wagons, using styrene ??

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  17. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    gormo wrote:
    That it is Gormo patience is required with this one
    I think it will make a nice model once finished

    More patience now, more clamps and the first side is mounted :thumbs:

    The alignment wires ready
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    Clamps on now wait!
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    Next thing is to straighten all these parts this I suspect is the result of the etched lines in the side and end panels causing the sheet to curl as I had to straighten the sides and ends the other side of the etch had no curl. Will mention this to the manufacture next time I see him.

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  18. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Gary wrote:
    Hi Gary

    Re not stopping if I did stop the pile of things to do wouldn't get done
    It's part of trying to not let a permanent injury make me slip into a state of depression I may look 1/2 OK when you see me but that's largely due to some super strong medications to get me through then I crash for a few days to recover.

    I have built a quite a few out of styrene, mostly in On30 and HO I use comercial axle boxes or bogies, W irons etc usually white metal
    Have a few O gauge British wagons and some SMR wagons.
    The TAM 12 wheeler that I won the NMRA modelling competition with was made as Styrene masters then the sides were cast.

    And currently have bits for some NSWGR carriages started.
    As in the photo below, I don't have enough time in the day for all the projects I have on the go. Sorry for the photo quality it's from the iPad. These sides have all the match board lines not really visible in the photo.

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    Wow ..... sums it up for me

    Paul
     
  20. Toto

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    Time consuming Chris but worth the result. Patience of a saint required there.

    That shoogly bolt, I gave the idea hammer for that if you want a loan of it. :avatar:

    Cheers

    Toto
     

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