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Discussion in 'Workshop Benches' started by Mossy, May 19, 2022.

  1. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    The paint job looks super, it really does make the panelling stand out.

    One thing worth mentioning is if you are masking up, once you have sprayed the final coat. Get the masking off as quick as you can while the last coat is still wet, it will save much heartache from paint lifting with the masking tape.
     
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  2. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    I will remember that Rob, thanks. So far the masking tape has been on the inside so leaving it in place didn't do any harm.
     
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  3. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    These ones appear to be flattened brass? Not sure wire would do it justice.. in this case.
    Still need to draw some for the virtual model so will see if they print.
     
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  4. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    I've been very quite over the Christmas period, primarily because I was told where to put all my models and tools in no uncertain terms. However a few things have happened, first the bad news, I finished hand painting the interior then checked it with the photo supplied by Tom, oops I got it wrong so that's needing to be reworked. Good news a fat man with a red and white coat and a long white beard delivered two more sets of wheels, care of my two grand children aged 4 and 2 excellent work by 2 very young children, no parental assistance honest, :scratchchin: so I now have enough for all three builds, they are currently in the early stages of being painted, and today is my first day back modelling.

    I finally got around to fit the brake gear to my test bogies, originally planned to do both, but the first one worked so well there's no need to do build the second. More bogie parts are currently being printed as I need 6 for the low arc's and another 2 for the autocar (on the back shelf for now).

    Although I may well end up totally scrapping this carriage I am going to take it through to completion it now looks like this:

    bogies 10.jpg bogies 11.jpg

    One bogie now has brakes and brake yokes:

    bogies 12.jpg

    Now I know all the processes and build steps, these 2 bogies will be broken up ready for the proper build jobs. The last thing I needed to figure out was how a doubled ended Westinghouse brake linked up with 2 bogies and a guards brake handle, the solution - look at the instructions of a D&S autocar and there it is in full detail, two simple cranks to reverse a push motion into a pull motion, a few more bits to model.

    Mossy
     
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  5. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Do you mean then windy brake stand in a guard van/brake van? Usually has a large crown gear at the bottom on to another crown gear…. At least the mid 20th century stuff does.. not sure if it was done different in the late 19th Century…

    interesting how your brake rigging is. Did they only brake on the outer wheels? I need to compete this part on the NSR 4 wheeler, but I feel some may be guess work and interpretation of what I do know and others work.
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  6. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    And don’t Throw the coach.. it looks good. If you don’t want it, put it up for sale somewhere.. sold as seen.. it will be great in someone’s collection.
     
  7. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Andy,

    Never seen a photo or diagram of the bottom of a brake standard so wouldn't have a clue what gearing is involved.
    As for the brake rigging, I hate people who point out the blinding obvious mistake I have made. :hismiley: Hate myself more, haven't got a clue how I got myself in this pickle, I checked one of the sketches they are drawn from and your right they should be clasp brakes on all 8 wheels so need a complete redraw jobbie, such is life :hammer:.

    As for the coach time will tell - yes, no, perhaps who knows.

    Mossy
     
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    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Oh b*ll*cks... sorry !!! :confused:o_O:idea::(
     
  9. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    :avatar: wonderfull hobby this, so relaxing, I'm with Andy, that coach is too good to scrap

    Paul
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Mossy

    Came across this video, it has some useful tips and fault finding tips for airbrushing.



    Paul
     
  11. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Cheers Mate, i will add that to my list of air brush lessons. At the moment the first carriage is being done with a mixture of rattle cans and hand painting. I'm currently trying to finish of the under carriage but have realised I had missed a few bits, these are currently printing but the queen posts/turn buckles have been fitted. I will post up a piccie later.
     
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  12. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Couldn't be %^&&%$£ redrawing the brake yokes, still %^&**( off with my stupidity, so decided to finish off the undercarriage some good, some ok and some bad.
    Queen posts and turn buckles fitted nicely.

    under skirt 1.jpg

    Westie Brake and linkages, bit of a faff but done. The linkages are needed to reverse the action of the westie brake. The 2 brass rods running along the centre line would go to the bogies, the third running close to the solebar links to the brake standard in the guards end. All this taken from the D&S dgm 116 sketch, but none of the low arc sketches I have give any clue as to where the brake standard would be, so I have left it parallel to the the solebar.

    The ok bits. I know I have printed at least 4 emergency air tanks, where the &** are they, also there at least 4 gas tanks printed I can only find 2. I'm blaming the "put it all away" instruction from the boss pre Christmas. I know a full 7 compartment carriage uses 4 gas tanks, this compo has 4 compt's and a brake section so in theory needs sort of 2 1/2 or 3.

    The bad bit, the running board that sits between the 2 bogies has 5 supports, I though I had offset these from the queen posts to give some clearance but haven't so need to find a way around it for now. Long term it will be fixed just in case and more chassis are needed.

    underskirt 2.jpg
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Looking really good.

    Just a question regarding the brakes
    I am assuming the vac cyl has a fixed end connected to one brake lever, with the piston end connected to the other lever. With the cylinder able to move.
    When the vacuum is released the piston can extend and the brakes release. When the manual brake is applied the manual rod will compress the cylinder and the bakes apply.

    If the vac cyl is fixed and there are two independant pistons, with vacuum applied in the center (seems more sensible), when vacuum is applied the pistons pull in releasing the brakes. However the hand brake will only operate on the one bogie.

    Paul
     
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  14. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Paul,

    I am by no means a brake expert, Tom Burnham is probably the person to verify if I am right but here goes. Firstly the mechanism is a Westinghouse brake (not a vacuum brake) and is fixed to the carriage floor so not able to move, the application of the brake moves a piston outwards from the main body rather than inwards. In this case it's actually a double ended brake unit so two pistons simultaneously move out from the centre line of the coach, one in each direction. The two linkages are pivoted about their centre line and simply convert the outward push to to an inwards pull, that movement applies the brakes. And yes looking at the diagram for the D&S coach the handbrake appears to be capable of operating only on one bogie.

    Opposite the brake unit will be, but not fitted yet is what is described as a reserve air cylinder which I assume boosts the air supply if the air pressure is low.

    Mossy
     
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  15. Andy_Sollis

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    I am suspecting this may be more what was fitted to the NSR coaches of the same period, and not the vac cylinder Mark modelled, which has been inherited from a later LNWR chassis when the coaches were rebuilt.

    Research yesterday found that the reservoir tanks are there to speed up the reaction as the brakes worked differently to the later vac brakes. I suspect the vac pulled the brakes on rather than pulled them off as standard vac works now.

    To simplify, older vac brakes only worked when braking and were not constant as on later rolling stock. therefore a break in the train pipe did not apply the brakes and resulted in rather large accident in Armagh in 1889 where 80 persons died when the train separated on a hill. It was later standardised on the VAC system we know today using the locos ejector which came at a cost of using more steam as it constantly drew the vac to pull the brakes off, but, in the event of an incident/train pipe split, the brakes were deployed. (See also the red chains inside which pull what we call the butterfly's at the end of a coach - these are tabs on a bar which simply opens a valve allowing a small amount of air in to the system, starting to apply the brakes and enough form the driver to see a drop on his gauge and know there is an issue and stop a train)
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Makes sense - I had forgotten they were air brakes

    Now I see why I like early pre-grouped wagons, one brake shoe manually applied by a single brake lever :avatar:
     
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  17. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    If your talking about a 4 wheeled clasp westie braked wagon, then you would need a single action cylinder which rotates a central spindle with a linkage to both sets of clasp brakes. If it's dual braked then the vac cylinder needs to be on the opposite side to the Westie, that way they each rotate the centre axles in the opposite sense.

    Mossy
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Life has moved on, underskirt all finished, running boards a bit bodged, but I have a solution for the other chassis.

    chassis a.jpg
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Nice ........
     
  20. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Thanks Paul,

    I'm not to happy having to bodge the running boards but life is as it is and it doesn't show when seen from the side. The next one will be far far better and everything will be added before going near it with any paints,
     
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