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  1. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    First of the 2 NER brake Vans, the mystery that is the V2. A long shaggy dog story but of interest if you like Victorian wagons:

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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Pipework from the sand boxes in the verandas.

    Brake guards there are 6 each is a square U shape affair around each of the pairs of break shoes.

    The 3 vertical things who knows, and sadly the artist is I believe dead so we cant ask him.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Mossy

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    The brake hanger top part is behind the beam, to me (and I know very little on this subject) they would be attached to floor in a similar manner as most other brake hangers.
    The rod connection to the if not a connection side to side to both shoes (I would have expected to see a circle at the connection to the shoe) so may have the assemblies duplicated for both sides. The wire loops for each shoe may support the cross connection theory as if the shoe connection failed the wire loops would catch the cross bar.
    Well thats my theory. I need to look at more single shoe options, my heads starting to hurt.

    Paul

    PS on the right hand wheel set, the left hand shoe arrangement seems to be missing something to work correctly.
     
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    I think the three verticle straps are incorrectly drawn loops to catch failed rigging.
     
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    Well that’s a new one on me, sand boxes in a brake van? Was this pushed in front of a loco?
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Andy

    Bear in mind how little is known about the V2's due to a dearth of either documentation or photographic evidence a lot of the detail is conjectural but is shown on both the detailed drawings for this brake van. The V3 drawings (again the same 2 authors) also show sand boxes on both verandas.
     
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    Surely if the track is slippery sand would cause the brake van wheels to grip to assist braking. Not a lot of point in a brake vans wheels slipping.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Very true Walking. Given the mineral vans were dragging heavy coal trains up hill and down dale in the Durham coalfields a bit of sanding would always come
    in handy. The Cleveland ironstone field wasn't as hilly but again sanding would be very helpful.

    Mossy
     
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  9. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    Many brake vans were fitted with sandboxes, often on verandas but sometimes inside the cabin and more rarely like the Southern 'pillbox' brake vans, on the outside of the veranda.

    I think that they fell out of favour under BR (or before) and were slowly phased out.
     
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    Ive just never come across it .. Very interesting
     
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    Sand box on a GWR Toad brake van.

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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    I finally got the other Victorian NER brake van done. I know it will appeal to Rob, he likes brake vans, he likes outside framing and he likes quirky stuff so this it a full house.

    First.jpg

    Since Andy is always showering praise on Pauls and my prints, this is the results of the test print:

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    4 hours of printing before I noticed the break, grrrrrr. All of which reminds me of the early 70's when women started walking around without a bra - an obvious case of lacking support, but it did provide some visual stimulation/education to school boys. :hismiley::avatar:
     
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    You are correct it sure does appeal. Very Nice.

    Your reminds me of story also brings back a memory for me much more recent than the early 1970's.

    Back when I worked for Wakefield Council, in 2012 I managed a project to fit out a new office building with IT (network cabling, server room, cabinet rooms etc.) all the desks had built in networking and either a docking station for a laptop or a new PC in a cradle fixed to the desk. State of the art at the time.

    During the fit out of the building I was using the glass fronted space that was to become the customer service centre, as a store for all the incoming IT equipment deliveries and I was in there one sunny day about a month after we started moving the first people into the upper floors. I gazed out through the glass to see a woman coming towards me in a bright yellow sundress, as she got closer it became quite obvious that all she was wearing was the sundress, the smallest pair of pants imaginable and a pair of flip flops. What my dad used to refer to as a garden gate dress - it protects the property without spoiling the view...

    I had a good gawp as you do but you could have knocked me down with a feather when she walked into the building and proceeded up on the one of the occupied floors. Ype she was a council employee...
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Rob

    Never heard the Garden Gate phrase before but it fits brilliantly. My best tale like that is from the long hot summer of 1976 I was doing my finals in Sheffield during that heat wave year, but also as an addicted rock climber almost every Peak District crag was closed due to fire risk. In the end we figured out the only open crag Millstone Quarry was in the shade till about 1 o clock after which it was just too hot, but down below was as open air swimming pool in Hathersage.

    The plan; up very early (yes students up at 7am) bus to Millstone Quarry, then when it was to hot down to the pool to cool off, it worked brilliantly, the added bonus being lots of topless ladies strutting about, very pleasant. Just before my last exam revision was a trip to Millstone and the pool. Not long after we had got to the pool 5 lady students arrived and stripped off, when they turned around, it became obvious all 5 were the girls from my Geology course. I had spent nearly 3 years "wondering" now it was pretty much all exposed, except the garden gate was closed. Oh to be young again.

    Mossy
     
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    Looks like you went to my school of printing with that one.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    A not uncommon first result, I just don't often admit to it, second go usually cures any problems. I have had a really good look around this failure and I am pretty certain of the cause. Solutions, well a quick bodge isn't going to fix it and sadly the correct way looks to me to need an almost total rebuild of how the floor and chassis are joined. Instead of crashing in (my usual route to a fix) this one will need thinking about. But one good thing that has cropped up, this one was drawn before I perfected 3d printed buffer housings and a sprung buffer doesn't fit. That will be fixed before the mk 2 version is printed.
     
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    At the risk of getting political, sadly if you were young these days, the fellow students that you so admired, would most likely identify as one of the many letters of the alphabet which translate to "admiring glances from heterosexual males no longer wanted"...
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Oh so true and on the converse side they may well be 'male' students trying it on.
     
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    My first impression was the NER had invented the Portaloo, I may even be close as it looked like the floor had warped because of a leak :avatar:

    An interesting prototype, but not one on my bucket list

    I normally extend the solebar up a couple of tenths and extrude it out to join the sides, it seems to be enough to keep it together.

    Paul
     
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    For the last few weeks a pair of S1's have been sat at the back of the table with a number of components stashed in the hoppers, suffering from an 'I'll just finish those off tomorrow', well it's no longer 'tomorrow' all done, buffers and couplings to be fitted after the paint job. I quite like the complex mix of angles:

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