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  1. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Life moves on, I now have 4 sections of S4 hopper, 2 chassis and 2 body . The bodies are complete except for the hopper doors and monkey hangers, the doors will be done next, but the handrail knobs need for the monkey hangers haven't arrived yet.

    The upper section of the end brakes looks like this:

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    Next up the S1 hopper my original design didn't include fully detailed hopper doors etc, I'm still not sure if they need adding, I also have 2 spare old style chassis - so perhaps I should build 2 or 3 S1's?
     
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  2. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    A miniature Shildon assembly line or two by two a Railway Ark?

    Minature Shildon.jpg

    There's also a third S4 boxed up for Rob, but that didn't photo very well.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Hot off the press my first completed S4 Hopper. Buffers and Couplings to be added after painting.

    No 1 Side view.jpg No 1 End View.jpg

    Having the chassis and body separate makes brake gear easy, but makes unifying the 2 bodies a real ^%$&&**(, but over all abetter approach.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Strangely after all the &^%%^& with No 1, the body-chassis union of no 2 was dead easy - isn't life odd. The weather in Leeds has had all 4 season in 15 minutes, but a quick flash of rays and they look better in the sunshine.

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    Because they look so good, I have decided to upgrade the S1 hopper to have proper hopper doors, latches and monkey tails, so more of them later or tomorrow.
     
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    It wasn't just us in Dales that got it then.

    They look superb!
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Thanks Rob, I think they have come out the best I have ever done, but, I haven't changed anything, same resin, same print parameters, same design philosophy so why!
    Earlier today I redrew the S1 hopper with working hopper doors etc. The prints are being washed now, lets hope for as good a result.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Great progress sir - I feel your pain.

    I had put coach bolt detail on the iside of the wagon body, ten found a drawing tat showed them as countersunk screws. Replaced all the internal coach bolt heads with csk screws printed the result and none of them could be seen. Then refitted the coach bolt heads as it looked better with them than with nowt visible. :facepalm: Thats another 3 days I'll never get back.

    Anycubic threw me a curve ball and discontinued thier ABS Resin - that lovely green stuff that just prints every time. Now here's where I got confused for the old ABS resin exposure time on No.1 Mono X 4K was 3.4 sec, and No.2 Mono X 4K was 2.4 sec, and has been like this since day 1. So the new resinn ABS Pro 2, first test print on No.2 was a disaster, center didn't stick to the build plate, and support failiures - nuts, back to basics, and carry out an exposure check, best compromise result was 2.8s per layer, but did raise the lift heights to 10mm - used to be at 5mm. Ok now for printer No.1, tried the usual setting and an mega fail. Exposure test gave the best compromise setting of.... :drums::drums: 2.8s errrrrr did I pickup the right test pieces, yep as the test prints print from printer No.2 were welded onto the build plate and were destroyed getting them off. Test print carried out at the new faster exposre setting, the prints on the outside were fine but the mid area were non existant, and further out there were support failiures. Now the RERF print setting were examined, bottom layer exposure is set at 45s (no wonder I can't get the prints off No.2) & lift height was 10mm. So I increased the bottom layer exposure from 20s to 30s, and Bottom layer lift height to 16mm. Then for the normal layers set the lift height to 10mm, now working a treat.

    Hopefully things will quiet down and I can get posting.

    Keep up the good work Mossy

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Slow but steady progress on the S1 hoppers. Every thing done but the end brake levers assemblies and fitting the very vulnerable foot steps to the chassis'. Test build an final build alongside each other. A couple of minor bits that are different but I will be keeping both.

    hopper 2.jpg

    And for fun an 1860's designed S1 alongside the somewhat bigger 1908 designed S4.

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    Since I am printing off realistic S&D / Central Division Ironstone wagons, I thought this would be an appropriate brake van, sometimes called the Shildon van other times the Bouch Van, introduced in the 1860 and photographic evidence shows one still in use in 1900, it is a classic S&D design. I printed off all the parts 2-3 years ago but then lost faith in what I had done and abandoned the project - it's now back on the list.

    BOUCH 2.jpg

    Update
    Digging through some boxes of old prints, I found almost gold dust I have kept prints of pretty much all the components (two sets of everything) except the bodies, why? Each body is a 4 hour print run, I have just fired one off and if it's successful a second will be run off afterwards.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    I have spent most of today figuring out what bits of gold dust I have and what needs reprinting, there is close to a full set of brake gear and miscellaneous other bits including 2 roofs, but no body/chassis. On recent builds I have been printing the body and chassis as separate bodies, which has helped building the end brakes of the hoppers, just for the fun of it I have done the same with the Shildon van, but then also printed them as a combined body so I have potential to build 2 of these chunky vans.

    The most interesting part of the van is it's strange brake gear operated by what could best be described as coupling rods where each rod actuates one outside and one inside brake block, the 2 rods working in opposition to each other with a central mechanism which drives everything.

    Brake Layout.jpg

    There are similar brake arrangements on a number of NER locos, Classes G and M have this arrangement and there may well be others. There are 8 pivots to this arrangement, but the question is did they extend across the van linking up to the opposite sides brake gear as do the loco brakes. Sadly the diagrams I have do not show if this is correct or not. Anyone got any good ideas?
     
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    I would love to see what's inside that centre mechanism as I can understand how it works in theory but I am struggling to see how it actually works in practice.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Rob,

    Even in the wilds of Wensleydale you should be able to hear a very loud snap emanating from Leeds. Our best hope and I don't think even he will come through with an answer is Tom Burnham. Tom any ideas?
     
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    After a bit of faffing about plus family duties I have finally the bodywork for the Shildon van, well a body/chassis combined and body- chassis separate, which was my good idea.
    Looking at the separate chassis I can't think that it give any advantages in chassis building over the combined print, equally joining the two lining up 4 walls into 4 slots while making sure it all square wont be a piece of .... Conclusion: stick with the combine body and see how the build goes, generally a stupid idea that cost over 6 hours wasted printing time.

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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    First Steps.

    Sat on its wheels (but not glued in), roof again just placed. So what have I been doing - well the body requires 14 handrails, the roof has 6, more gold dust 12 out of the 14 were in a zip lock bag, the 6 on the roof were in place. Reaming out the location holes and fitting the hand rails has taken 2 1/2 hours, at least I didn't have to re-cut all 14. Seeing it stood up makes me realise what a solid if slightly crude look it has.

    mockup.jpg

    Tomorrow battle will commence with that odd brake gear.
     
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    Looking good, I can almost hear the compressor warming up
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    A beautiful early morning in Leeds I couldn't resist playing with brakes. They actually went together very easily except clumsy Mossy broke the central Mech, lucky there was a spare in the gold dust pile so I fitted that and oh %^&*% wrong size and glued in so irreversible, nowt to be done so I carried on and finished things off.

    Brakes.jpg

    The two short links should be horizontal, grrrrrrr, but with a full set of brake gear installed it looks like this:

    brakes 1.jpg

    brakes 2.jpg

    I might well keep it as there wouldn't be many who will get to see the cock-up, but I know it will nag so there may well be a reprint coming along. As for underneath it pretty chaotic, I still need to decide if all these cross members should be there or simply cut away.
     
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    As a details freak, unless they impede fitting the wheels or other details, I would leave them be.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Rob,

    You converted me to a details freak! No there nothing being impeded, but if I decide to reprint there are a couple of other improvements I would make as well, but they relate to the buildability rather than details.
     
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    Are there foot boards to be fitted, if so they may never be seen.

    Definately deserves a coat of paint, it looks great.

    Paul
     
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