Thanks. was more confirmation as suspected that's what it may be (from later brake systems) but wasn't sure for this period. I have something similar drawn for the MTV wagon... this may actually solve that last issue ! 2 for 1 ! boom ! It's a case of sitting and drawing it now. Back at work now. Andy
Hi Andy, A bit late to the party on this but going back to your step on the back of the cylinder. Another technique that I make use of is the ability to place a plane midway along your cylinder, create a sketch on that plane then sketch a half or quarter circle where you want to remove the step back to the main part. Then comes the clever bit draw a shape outside the partial circle joining it so that it can be extruded then use that to cut both ways to trim off your step. Think of say a square with a quarter circle taken from one corner.
Ah, not my drawings...Simply repairing damaged STL files. and I think I'm going to replace this with a better detailed one I've done in the next few days.
Following @Mossy ’s drawing of the brake rigging I spent some time yesterday evening setting it all up.. and then today I still find an error which amassed to extending a link by a whole 2mm!! Just to stop it fowling the axle! for clarity, I’ve painted the main brake pipe red (it can be black) and shows all the underside with the wheels removed. A close up showing it in a little more detail. At the moment I have the pins in, but once I’m happy re placement etc, I’ll knock them out and make holes for real pins to sit in when printed, just to make assembly a little easier and more “Airfix” that solid build.. I also chose to swap the vacuum cylinder for one of drawn earlier for another model.. now I’m assuming these are all the same size? If not I need to shrink it as I have two issues here.. one being that it sits inside the timber frame of the chassis, and also sits in a slightly different place to the original so the block under it sticks out.. that may mean re editing the chassis again, but not an issue. What I may do is leave a small cross bar from inside to outside and cut a slot in the vacuum cylinder to make the locating easier. Thoughts?
I found out that the cylinder size should be an 18” one for the coach and I therefor resized it. I have also edited the chassis and removed the block the old vac cylinder sat upon. The air tank has also been redrawn. Next up was an experiment with the NSR Crest. (I’ve also found where the coach numbers should be!) had to cheat a little as Fusion will not let you apply an image to an STL file and the work around was to create a panel with a tumblehome to as close as I could to the model profile.. Reversed it 180 and align to the other side. It’s only been added to one model at the moment but it adds to the look. I’m now at a point where it’s time to start assembling the parts needed for the printing side to make it (new resin and other bits expected for the weekend) and also send them back to Mark who supplied them. I’ll report back soon.
Thought best to crop it so you can actually see what I’ve done.. doesn’t like transparent so had to paint the crest the same colour as the body. Still shows as a different colour slightly due to gloss finishes etc..
@Mossy & @paul_l hopefully when the new bits arrive (resin and filter papers) and I’ve fitted a new fep as I’ve found dings in it, I’m going to start printing Friday or Saturday night whilst the wife is at work. (I can sleep though it whiring away in the room below) what I could do with is some suggestions for laying the parts out. Ie angles. Coach body, chassis and the chassis beams, roof. (see the earlier post re the differing parts.) Not sure what to do re printing the brake rigging. So again any suggestions. I may omit the buffers.. but not sure what I’d use. (Bear in mind O gauge is not my first modelling scale really and less so kit vehicles.) but we can cross that bridge when I’ve printed it. door handles and grab rails will also be separate Andy
Andy, Anything with a roof I print the chassis, chassis beams and body as a single entity parallel to the build plate, I use the same logic with opens but taking care the floor is easily fitted. With a simple van I used 6 heavy supports to lock it down, together with a series of mediums add more heavies as the length increases a couple of heavies inside the dra beams stop the tendency for it to bow outwards. Coach vents, end steps etc, I use light supports angled at 45 degrees from the body, roof 45 x 45 (slow but that's what gets seen first so needs to be immaculate), floor variable but usually vertical parallel to build plates (supported up the sides and up the ends as well as the basic supports along the bottom), everything else either at 45 to build plate or parallel to it using a mix of medium and light supports. Basically stay as simple as possible (kiss logic). Paul now over to you! Mossy
Roof and floor/chassis are separate to the body, 3 separate files. But the seating is intact in the coach. there are second chassis rails with the W irons on..
Where possible I print the body, supported 8mm from the build plate on a raft. Medium supports auto fitted, then manually add Heavy supports to all corners. If the floor thickness is not critical and fitted from the top to rest on supports on the inside, then I print it direct on the build plate - bottom facing up. Where the thickness is critical, I've started to print them at 85 degrees Again auto medium supports - just tends to put them along the bottom edge. Manually add heavies especially at the ends, and add some additional scaffolding Roofs I print at 45 degrees Again auto medium supports with a few heavies added to help anchor it down. Another tip, where you have items perpendicular to the roof / floor / side, add a small fillet to the join, even 0.1 to 0.2mm will do. This helps with the transition and can help reduce the number of supports required. Paul
The floor or chassis looks like this, but the square has been removed centre bottom (that’s where the vac cylinder now sits.. acceptable in OO but not O in my opinion) so which side facing in to the supports and which out? The back side is flat and is the coach floor. I have a horrible feeling that if I do the beams facing down, I will have to support all that text! Great for shapeways but not mono x
in the coach body to keep it square. That’s how it was first drawn. I’ve never took them out only the floor which was moved to the chassis
Andy, I would print the seats separate, the floor has plenty of bracing from the chassis cross members so will stay flat. Print the chassis upside down either parallel to the build plate or better angled at 45 degrees to minimise "wrinkly bottom disease", long print run, better result. Seats print however you want. I know you working with an stl, but there's a simple way to separate the seats from the floor using mesh>modify>convert mesh, horrible to explain, but if you send me the stl I will give it a o for you so you can see how it works. Mossy
For that detail on the underside I'd print upside down, possibly at 45 degrees - well supported (you can sand the floor later as it will be covered). You could even try adding the cylinders to the print. Once you've set up the supports, back in the main page of chitubox add a couple of 1mm holes just behind the buffer beam at the lower end to break any vacumm formind to help reduce the change of layer shift. Paul
The printing has finally begun. first off were the chassis rails and hornblocks Little bit of bow in them But that may pull out with warm water and then glue. The air tank, and just going out of shot some grab handles the walk boards over the lower half of chassis the body. Looks ok on first inspection, but sadly, it’s not. Unknown reason but the side edges have not printed well and distorted. Both sides you can see where the edge should be by where the supports start. It’s even got that trim in place on the other side … grounded coach body rot!! What I don’t get, and the other printers here may be able to fathom, the skate has all Bubbled here - as if the surface blistered? Start of a fresh new bottle. Anyway, cleaned up, printing the chassis and roof now. Then hopefully the final parts during the week. We will revisit the body later on.