Spring Time - Printing Time

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  1. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    P6 15 Ton Coal Hopper

    Having got the Mono X up and running, I needed to find a nice subject and decided to use the P6 hopper which I had drawn a few months ago as a test bed.

    It’s an interesting wagon, basically the NER’s first attempt to increase the wagon load/tare weight ratio thus reducing costs but also reducing the number of wagons needed and length of a train for any given load weight. The better known high capacity NER hopper is the P7 which is available from Slaters.

    The build plate is big enough that I could get all the components printed in one run of 3hr 20 mins a huge time saving over printing using the Mono even assuming the body fitted the build plate which it doesn’t.

    Late yesterday evening it had printed, had an initial wash and the support system was cut away, this morning more cleaning up before then curing.

    Mossy (a happy bunny)

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  2. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Enjoy that happy feeling while you can :avatar:

    The mono will be great for printing the other parts - buffers, w-irons, brake gear etc etc, and that can be happening as you print the big boy - that 50 wagon train may be less than 2 weeks away :eek:

    Another gud un

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Paul

    Thank you young sir.
    I'm surprised how quite it is compared to the Mono and yes that tank does take one heck of a lot of resin!

    Mossy
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Paul/Andy

    I would like your thoughts on this problemet please.

    Bored with constantly using Chitu along with being banned from printing today I decided to review another of the 'to be printed' candidates just to make sure everything was in place, a D10 double bolster. Lucky I did as I spotted a glaring error, as well as having two swinging bolsters, there are pockets to take 6 supplementary bolsters, these drop into pockets on the inside of the sides (not on the outside - error spotted) but because I had combined all the components I had redo the whole thing. Not a problem just tedious. This time around as well as correcting the error I made sure the floor was kept as a separate body for printing purposes.

    At this point the clanger hit me, there was no way of getting the floor in, the small pockets intrude into the wagon interior by 2mm on each side. My initial solution was to cut slots into the floor to accommodate the pockets but then I came up with an alternate solution, but is it viable?

    The plan is/was to print one end of the wagon as a separate body, which would allow the floor to silde in under the pockets and then glue the missing end on afterwards, but what do you experts think?

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    You can see one of the internal pockets top right of the photo. There is a 1.25mm gap between the bottom of the pocket and the solebar and the floor is 1mm thick so it should slide neatly in between the two and then the separate end fixed in place. The best schemes gan after .... and all that.

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  5. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Hmm.. I’ve just printed a part at 1mm thick as part of a floor for the signal box. Works in plasticard, but not in resin. Soon as it was near the warm water to remove the scaffold it warped. Managed to get it back something like, but it’s very flimsy so will make it 1.5mm thicker.

    Can you add some of the chassis details to the floor as part of that segment?

    out of interest also, the floor I did print was .25mm smaller on each of the four ends inside the building.. yep, a whole half mm smaller! Yet, it’s still too big! Go figure??
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Hi Andy,

    Almost all my wagon floors are printed 1mm thick, long axis parallel to the build plate with supports along the bottom, up each end and across the underside of the floor, none have ever warped. I don't used warm water, I have a pair of tiny very scissors with which I remove the supports after initial IPA bath, but before curing and final wash. They normally get printed on the same build as the body.

    I also allow a .25mm tolerance on all sides of a floor, expecting to need to shave a little off to make them fit.

    I have never heard of using warm water to remove supports pray tell more, I'm interested.

    Mossy
     
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    I’ve only used warm water since changing to your settings. The support material almost washes way in warm water leaving much less bobbling on the item where it was attached.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Andy,

    I may well give warm water a go, I'm always up to learn new techniques. Is this pre or post an IPA wash?

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    Post ipa and water wash..pre uv light
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Cheers Mate.

    I will definitely give it a go. The natter little scissors are starting to get a bit blunt.

    Mossy
     
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    Hi Mossy

    Why not print the floor where the brackets are from the side to the underframe solebars. Then your plasticard / printed floor just has to have cut outs to match.

    Paul
     
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    Hi Paul,

    I'm not really clear what your suggesting can you run it one more time.

    Mossy
     
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    Hi Mossy

    Add a bit of flooring - red on the attached pic

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    Do that for all the brackets.

    Then produce the floor with cut outs to suit the brackets

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    Hope that explains it

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    yep fully, didn't get the mini bits under the pockets

    Thanks Paul
     
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    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    I haven't been completely idle, I have progress Mossy's P6 Hopper shown above almost to the transfer stage - I will do the two BV's, the K1 and the P6 at the same time (fitting transfers is one of my least favourite modelling tasks requiring much concentration on my part).

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    That's looking very pretty Rob. Can't wait to see the final result.

    Mossy
     
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    ????

    you can create all the fabulous details you do in brass, but you have to concentrate on transfers?? :D:D:D
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Andy,

    Too true, I hate painting the most but transfers come a close second. Just happy I have a master on the job and not me!

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    We all must have had the same thoughts, I spent yesterday lettering Mossy's prints.

    After much dialogue betwen us agreeing the layout here we have:

    K1 Cattle Wagon
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    P6 Hopper wagon

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    I have also made start on the V1/3 Brake vans but we are struggling becaue of the tight spaces that we have to fit the lettering into
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  20. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Rob,

    I especially like the way the P6 has come out. I think it's by far the best 3d print I have managed to date.
    For the V1/2 brakes, I thought I might have a go at using that Krystal Clear stuff, any tips or words of warning?

    Mossy
     
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