Gladiator 0-4-0 LMS Ramsbotton Industrial Loco in 7mm

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  1. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Cheers Toto your routine is pretty much same as mine... I've lost count of the days too. Was it that motor I saw yesterday that is kaput ? Only suggestion in using five minute Araldite is work it in warm conditions, e.g not an unheated cold workspace and support the joining pieces from slipping out of alignment. It might well be five minute but after 45 minutes gravity can still play a trick or two.
     
  2. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    No worries Yorki.

    I'll put the heater on in the shed when I finally start it. the heat builds up very quickly.

    Meanwhile I am also looking at other parts for the boiler trying to identify their place in the grand scheme of things. I am definately missing pages from the instructions as the casts and other bagged accessories are not identifiable to the numbers as referenced to in the instructions. It makes my job so much harder.

    an example below.


    I am fine with the sand boxes and the boiler back head but the lever, assuming brakes or reversing rod or something. Trying to work out where it goes in the cab.

    next up ..... the various boiler furniture .......


    these are loosely placed for the moment but the first in from the left and third in from the left maybe the wrong way around.


    the first in ......


    the third in.

    Now ..... you think the image on the box would help but it appears to show slightly different parts. its hard to say and the instructions are very bereft of pictures.

    Not ready to epoxy them yet anyway so no great issue. I am currently about to solder in the white metal springs which fit centrally behind the splashers.

    I'll post these up in my next post.

    cheers

    toto
     
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  3. Mr Porter

    Mr Porter Failure is always an option. Full Member

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    Will the instructions from the Crane Tank give any clues?
    :headbanger:
    Jim
     
  4. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Checked them and they are not much clearer. No named parts list for casts with any pictures for clarity

    I think I have these two parts the wrong way around though.

    I shall get there.

    cheers

    toto
     
  5. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    OK here is where I have left off ..... springs .....


    fiddly and I had to rescue one of the casts as it was a little melted although not noticeable as its hidden behind the splasher.


    a greedy bar to cater for the extended bunker height.


    and another .....


    beading to take handrails etc .....


    and another ....


    and another .....


    and thats where we are so far


    last one for now.

    next up is to bore the beading at the handrail posts as they are a bit neat to take the copper rod. then solder them into place. I still need to work out the boiler dome situation and bore out the boiler to take the hand rail knobs.

    Then ....... the epoxy is coming out .....:avatar:

    cheers

    toto
     
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  6. York Paul

    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    Its come on leaps and bounds since yesterday even, the bunker area looks great and glad you got the springs and hangers into position with any difficulty. As for drilling the resin cast I'd mark a fine pencil line along the sides tracing the course of the knobs then mark off the knob positions with a cross hair, then using a fine point tool indent the drilling position before drilling. Ensure you drill down into the resin cast at 90 degrees otherwise the handrail alignment will look wrong.
     
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  7. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi again,

    moved on to boring the beading for the handrails ..... destroyed the end of the bead ..... so another work around had to be hatched ......


    I think it looks ok. maybe not how the prototype showed it but a reasonable compromise.


    Moving on to soldering the sand boxes in to place now.

    cheers

    toto
     
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  8. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hmmmmm ........ struggling for guidance on post 102 ..... I'll need to cast the net further ....

    back later

    toto
     
  9. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Lost wax frame springs on their way from Kaurie Griffin Minatures. I'll take the white metal versions off. They may actually fall off. :avatar: just joking. There are well enough on but I dont think they will stand the test of time. ..... they're history.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  10. jakesdad13

    jakesdad13 Staff Member Moderator

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    I admit I'm not absolutely sure but they may be different safety valves, you need to choose which is which for the particular loco you are modelling, but as I said I may be wrong.

    Pete.
     
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  11. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    That was my thought too Pete.
     
  12. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Yes,

    Rob Pulhamhas helped out a bit there but still
    Have a bit searching to do yet.

    Thanks Pete.

    Toto
     
  13. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Passing posts there Rob. :avatar:
     
  14. jakesdad13

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    I've just had a look at the photo on post #6 and it appears the plain safety valve is shown just in front of the spectacle plate but it looks like a lever thingy fixed to the top, possibly the whistle lever. The other casting is, if remember correctly, a later Ramsbottom safety valve and might be a later upgrade/refit.

    Pete.
     
  15. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Thanks for that Pete.

    I'm scouring the web as well to see what's available.

    I'm sure a consensus will be reached. :avatar:

    Toto:avatar:
     
  16. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    I drilled out the sand box openings and soldered in some brass rod. No pictures at the moment but I'll post a couple up tomorrow. I still have to solder the actual boxes to the underside of the footplate. They seem to be shown midway between the front and rear wheel sets.

    Lamp brackets and lamps still to go as well and the brake shoes and associated rigging.

    I'll leave the rigging until last to enable me to test fit the boiler in place and see the motor is ridgid enough within the boiler. If I need to take the wheels off for any reason ( think tweaking motor or axle position etc ) I could not achieve it with the brake rigging on.

    By rights, it may be prudent to paint some of these dismantleable sections prior to the rigging going on as well.

    I am looking at the logic of it in order to make the final decision as it will effect the order of the build and painting.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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  17. Rob Pulham

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    There are quite a few photos of it online
    This one seems to be of a decent size on Flickr
    [​IMG]LNWR ( Crewe ) Ramsbottom Class 835 '4ft Shunter' 0-4-0ST 1439 by MikeG, on Flickr

    There is definitely only one safety valve set - it looks like this example got a set of Ross Pop safety valves later in life.

    Do you have a tank filler cap in your casting set? That's what the other item forward of the dome looks like to me.
     
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  18. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    I think I do have one Rob. I'll post up picture tomorrow. That may just be what it us as there is no provision elsewhere on the loco fir one. Ill see what the destructions have to say about the placement of it.

    Great thinking. I recognise the fitment nearest the cab so that also clears that up.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    and another

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    and there's more

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