Gladiator 0-4-0 LMS Ramsbotton Industrial Loco in 7mm

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  1. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Unfortunately not the the 0-6-0 with the crane but that can be resolved. No wheels or motor but price reflected that.

    Again. Pictures will be posted when it arrives.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  2. Toto

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    Postie was here this morning, pictures coming shortly. :thumbs:
     
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    I've said it before but.... You're just a tease :avatar:
     
  4. Gary

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    You taking photos of the postman ?? :avatar:

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  5. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    You've never seen her. :avatar:
     
  6. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Here we go ...... The Ramsbottom ........ put the KY away Paul.
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    the original box in excellent condition.
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    Full instructions and packaged well.
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    Various bags of fittings ( unopened ) and it comes with a boiler tank made of whatyoumacallit. ..... oh ....resin.
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    Etched chassis and body parts. Not a lot of parts actually. Dare I say that this might be a good thing in my case.
    Again ..... purchased from the house of O Gauge and can only say that I am very happy with the purchase.
    cheers for now.
    Toto
     
  7. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    Nice kit. :thumbup:

    I'm thinking that you may require one of these before you start putting the kit together :

    https://www.raildig.com/useful-tools/the-bug/

    Something to watch : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnbhmINTz6U



    Cheers, Gary.
     
  8. paul_l

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    And prey tell "O Great One" when one of these may see use on the rolling road ?

    Nice kit, and the motor and gearbox

    You may find this site useful

    http://www.premiercomponents.co.uk/motor_gear_boxes.html

    Paul
     
  9. SMR CHRIS

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    paul_l wrote:
    I think this little loco would be right at home in the gas works Paul, tell him to get his finger out and get started on the practice kits :giggle: so it's ready when the layout is :thumbs:

    Very nice looking kits Toto this and the Jinty , you are getting a good lot of kit / projects to keep you going for a few years now.
    Getting them at good prices you can't say no!
    This one has that real early industrial look
    :thumbup:
     
  10. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi Chris,

    It is an early loco but if you have private industry on your layout, you can get away with quite a lot. A works shunter / engineers goefur. :avatar:

    Nice little kit.

    Pula, I'll visit your link for the motor and gearbox. :thumbs:

    Likewise for the Jinty.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  11. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi,

    I have taken another look at this little loco and more specifically, the instructions. Although there are not many parts to it, the written instructions do not include any images of the build going together. I dare say that these would be a doddle to someone who has a greater knowledge of the terminology etc but are a bit daunting to me.

    Is anyone aware of a revised set of instructions with images etc. It could be time to phone Dave and Trisha to see if they can provide anything as for a novice, it would be helpful.

    Any comments welcome

    Toto
     
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  12. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Still examining these instructions and also studying the image on the box. I'm getting a clearer understanding of how this is going together. Still have a few points I need to sort in my head but getting there.

    It just shows the difference between this kind of kit and one where the build technique is better defined. Connoisseurs for example .... crystal clear.

    Wont be starting this quite yet but wont be far away.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  13. Toto

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    :scratchchin: Mmmmmm .... the more I look at this the more I want to give this a bash. I'd have to order up wheels, gearbox etc and check to see if it has decent buffers ..... oh and plunger pickups. That might be one of tomorrow's tasks.

    Watch this space

    Toto
     
  14. York Paul

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    Just been studying the etch pieces making up the mainframe and wonder if drilling for spring pick ups will weaken the frames as there doesn't seen a lot of metal surface area around the critical points, maybe better to work out a wiper system which can be slung under the frames and hidden behind the wheels as happens in the smaller scale builds. Anyway whatever way you go first job is make up the coupling rods as the start point, then dry fit a wheel /axle into a brass bush and score a mark using a blade on the outer face of the frame around the circumference of the wheel, this will help you decide if spring pick ups are viable or not or if you need to drill a smaller hole to insert an insulated pipe for the wiper pick up wire. Once you have made that decision then with the made up and cleaned coupling rods you can build the main frames using your chassis jig in the normal way, adding in brake hangers and sanding pipes in the normal way and allowing clearance space to refit wheels as needed. Once you have the gearbox drive and motor in place you can test the chassis on a rolling road and eliminate electrical shorts if there are any. Next step would be to build up the body from footplate upwards and be mindful of soldering in fixing points also in the frame build as that is done before any wiring takes place, it may be that on the chassis build you need to offer up the basis footplate as a dry fit in order to create the correct location for any nuts used in the fixing point... I don't know on this kit but good luck and enjoy because it is never as daunting as it first seems.:thumbup:
     
  15. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Thanks Yorkie.

    I have just ordered up driving wheels, buffers and pick ups from slaters as we speak. If the pick ups cant be used, they will always do another build.

    I have a set of gears with the other ramsbottom ( crane version ) I'll look tomorrow and see what they are and order another set of the same for this build.

    I think this could be coming towards the top of the pile after my department coach conversion. We'll see.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  16. Toto

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    Decision made .... this is next up.

    I've spent more time today going over these wordy / weighty instructions and reckon I've covered most of the bases. There are still one or two glaring omissions that require a bit consultation, one of them being the positioning of the motor and gearbox but I am sure their will be enough knowledge to tap into on the forum in order to over come that.

    It may even be down to terminology as the instructions talk of a motion plate which may be something to do with the above. Not sure.

    So ....... in for a penny, in for a pound. My poppy's 7mm chassis jig is at the ready for its maiden voyage.

    Wish me luck.

    Toto
     
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    What about the big jig ?

    Paul
     
  18. Toto

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    No need for it.

    It's a straight forward chassis. Quite basic that I dan see so I wont spend an inordinate amount of time trying to work out how to assemble the bigger jig. Just keep it simple, the hobby jig should be easier in terms of being able to dismantle and reassemble several times between tasks.

    The big jig lends itself better to some of the more comp,scared kits I think.

    I may regret my decision but I dont think so.

    Famous last words.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  19. Toto

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    Ok ..... so just as a reminder ..... here is what we are doing


    and a diagram of all of the etched parts ......


    The boiler is preformed in resin and there are other brass and white metal castings to complete the kit.

    Slaters wheels Ref 7848H, Slaters plunger pick ups Ref 7457, Mashima 1833 motor and Markits 40: 1 i stage gear set Ref MM&-1-1240.

    and we are going to call on the services of this .....


    a 7mm loco jig.

    I have not posted up the instructions as there are absolutely no exploded diagrams or illustrations to show you the way .... just a very wordy explanation of how it should be done. Now, I'd say about 75 % to 85% is pretty reasonably explained but one or two areas ( to me ) are a bit vague. Never mind, dont let a little thing like that put us off. Thats the good thing about being on here ...... you can ask questions and usually ..... somebody bails you out. I will be asking a few questions at the risk of showing myself up as being incredibly thick but I dont mind that ..... I have built up that ability over many years and am a master of the cause.

    So get comfy for ( if nothing else ) some light entertainment as I prepare to take on my next victim from my O Gauge stash.

    back soon

    toto
     
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  20. York Paul

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    I think yo will do great will this little loco, anyway following your daily progress with interest and posting comments So bring it on Toto :tophat::thumbup:
     

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