Luib Bridge

Discussion in 'Members Personal Layouts' started by Toto, Jul 16, 2016.

  1. gormo

    gormo Staff Member Administrator

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    Ah the dreaded short circuit.

    I reckon it`s a polarity issue somewhere in that maze of wires is one wire that`s connected into the wrong socket.

    I`ve just got a vibe about it....it may be some sort of psychic message from the great unknown or it may be wrong.......but that`s my take on it. :idea::whatever:

    Whata ya reckon Toto me lad.?????:scratchchin:

    http://www.click:tophat:Gormo
     
  2. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    I reckon Toto is waiting for your visit Gormo ! :avatar::avatar:

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  3. Ron

    Ron Full Member

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    :avatar::avatar:
     
  4. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    It'll be a stupid over sight. I will ride victorious. ....... Lovely Greek gal.
     
  5. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Congrats on POTW - you deserve it for keeping us entertained.

    Tom, now we just need a video of a train moving

    Paul
     
  6. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Oh Fanks. I'm so humbled.
    does that mean I'll have to do a post to congratulate myself. :scratchchin:
     
  7. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    paul_l wrote:
    That's putting the pressure on him Paul to find the short

    Congrats on POTW Toto its been entertaining this topic so far
     
  8. cmcan

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    Hey Toto,

    Nice shed. Well done. Gives me ideas to rework the train area under the house. The dunny is staying though.

    I noticed a bit of box truss in the background of one of your photo's. What do you use that for?

    Regarding your track shorting - I've got no idea :headbanger:

    Have a happy easter.

    Cameron
     
  9. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi Cameron,

    A dunny in the shed ....... Now there's an idea. :avatar: I was originally going to use box truss for my baseboard construction but abandoned the idea. The little bit that I had done is just lying around.

    The short ..... Well ...... That's tomorrow's task. I've not been in the shed at night this week as I need to donate some SWMBO and puppy time as well as shed time. I am ready for another push over the Easter weekend though in order to finish the track electrics off though and it will free me up to start on other elements of the build.

    You have a great weekend as well and watch this space as I'll be updating on whatever I get up to.

    Cheers for now

    Toto
     
  10. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    Congratulations on PotW Toto, but I didn't realise mug shots were the flavour of the month... :avatar::avatar::avatar:

    Ok, Paul wants to see a train moving, so I found this lovely video... Enjoy the video whilst Toto sorts his electrical gremlins out !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJsMy5ReOwU



    Cheers, Gary.
     
  11. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Gary wrote:
    Nice Video Clip find Gary, Hard to believe that the C38's were delivered in that gray colour even in war time it didn't weather well may be that was part of the idea almost instant cameo of soot and grime. Whilst 3801 linited painted the loco this colour by choice, it lost them a whole lot of young fans as they didn't recognise it as 3801 not being green.:facepalm:
     
  12. ianvolvo46

    ianvolvo46 Staff Member Moderator

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    Congrats on potw Toto .. never thought about getting someone else to do a selfie .. cool

    Ian vt :thumbs:
     
  13. Ron

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    Congrats on POTW Tom :)
    Gary, that loco in the video had a load of coal in the tender but hauled an oil tanker behind it, was it coal or oil fired (or both)??
    CheersRon

    How about some O gauge loco's running?

     
  14. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Well, made it.

    Made it through to the holiday weekend that is. Fault finding next. Maybe a bit baseboard painting and some ballasting. Try the new ballaster out.

    Got visitors at the moment but may nip out and glue my ballaster together with PVA.

    A nice sedate task to kick off with. Once I get the long awaited video made and post up, I am also thinking about renewing the track BUS as it could be placed better strategically going forward.
    There is not a lot of room for further connections and there will be more required in the future. I may build in an accessory BUS as well for lighting and other power sapping things. :avatar:

    Loads to do ........ Yaaaaaaaaaawn . Zzzzzzzzzzz :avatar:
     
  15. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    The C38 Class loco is coal fired. The tank behind the tender is a water gin for the long hauls. To think that the C38s used to haul 300 tonne express passenger trains up grades of 1:33 (across the Blue Mountains) and at speeds of up to 80mph, sometimes faster. Not bad for a two cylinder engine... ;)

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  16. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Maaaaaaaan :facepalm:

    The layout works fine except one set of points. The controller shows no short which is indicated by a steady red status light. I measure the voltage over the track in question and there is no voltage. I put a Jesus box over it and it screams it's heart out indicating there is a short.

    I test it through the points and it narrows down to one small section of track connected to one of the Spurs coming off the point. I disconnect the point at the cobalt all together and there is still a short. I power off and every stretch of track comes up with a short.

    It's madness.

    The whole thing runs bar a six inch piece of track when powered up.

    I need to walk away from this before I set a match to it. It will be something stupid. I'll return to it later ........ Meanwhile SWMBO has hidden the matches.

    Toto
     
  17. Ron

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    Good job! Can you replace the piece of track or point Tom??
     
  18. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    If it's the one section, Disconnect the droppers to that bit of track and check ? Short or no short,

    If no short check section for short with multi meter check for copper clad sleepers, if copper clad check its gapped if using a section of copper clad check to see is it's not double sided and if so gap both sides.

    If short still there it's the point, do the same the same isolate the point from the DCC bus and then check for continuity through the point with multi meter check frog to switch rails for gaping with out the frog wire connected to the cobalt should be no conductivity to both switch rails

    If conductivity one of the links under the point is still in place remove and clip and recheck

    if ok , attach wire to cobalt and test again to confirm correct switching via cobalt

    If you like Send a good over head photo of the section so I can see if there are any isolations needed that you may have forgoten and can advise.
     
  19. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi Chris,

    I will send a photo.

    The point runs ok through one leg but stops dead at the Y on the other leg. The weird thing is, it all worked before.

    I'll send a picture showing the isolation gaps etc. It may be in a while as I just have a visitor arrived.

    Thanks for your input.:thumbs:

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  20. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    OK,
    Here we go ...... photos. First up is the point at the bottom of the picture. You will note a piece of track shooting off to the left ( or the top ) of the point. As soon as the loco hits the Y, it halts.

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    below you can see the track coming of towards the top. It is joined at the point on both rails with joiners and soldered. Both rails are isolated at the copper clad. the track should pick up power via the point. there are two wires that you will see that are not connected. ( this was just a trial ) forget them.
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    The screwdriver points to the isolation joints ( which are clear )
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    The picture below shows the Y where the loco stops. It goes through the down line with no issue, but not the upper line. Keep it in mind that if there was a polarity issue on any part of the track, It should show up as a flashing red status light on the power unit. It does not do this suggesting no short. When I physically push the loco along the small section of dead track ........... no short either. once the loco clears the dead section and hits the other set of points, all is ok.
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    The picture below ( where the screw driver is pointing to shows the track feed. The railjoiners to the left connecting to the point is also soldered for a better physical connection.
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    The picture below shows the next wired feed to the left of the point. The rail joiners between the track and the point is also soldered for better conductivity.
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    Below shows the feed to the point and the electrical link between the rails as per the instructions and as done on every other set of points on every layout I have never completed.
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    And the common
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    Below, I point to the area of track that is giving the issue between the two sets of points. When everything is powered up, I get zero voltage reading regardless of how the points are set. My jesus box squeals like a piggy when put over the two rails ( but the controller status shows " no short " on the status light )
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    If I connect the twisted feed below, the system shows a short. I done this purely as an experiment as previously the whole system worked fine before I made the latest changes.
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    Fathom that one out.
    cheers
    toto
     

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