Hi Mossy Chitubox always underestimates my print times Just out of interest, what is your Z height, density and thickness settings for the supports. Printing the steps with the body will add to the print time - you have raised the model by quite a bit so needs extra time and resin for the supports. What is the chassis thickness, my passenger tank is a nominal 2mm thick, but I increased it to 4mm thick at the bearings (remember I used 3/16 ID 3/8 OD ball bearings). I also had to add sacrificial supports accross the chassis to keep it square / parallel. May also be better to print the guard irons seperately, the only bit to fail on my latest test chassis was one guard iron Also may worth trying to print the chassis upside down - you have a flat top, so can be easily sanded to remove support marks, and will produce a better surface on the ashpan lower surface. Paul
Paul The test were simply 'out of interest' and not finalised but parameters you asked for are: Z height 8mm Density 50%, thickness I think is 4mm Chassis 2mm thick No sacrificial supports - yet Could easily print the Irons and Steps separately Chassis in test was upside down Both tests were angle 45 degrees on the Y plane, the chassis upside down, the rear of the body was the low point. The body test resulted in parts of the skate being chopped off, but with a bit of movement none of the supports were compromised, upping the angle a few degrees should resolve that problem. I think on every print that I have monitored the Chitu timings are always too high, the initial print time displayed too low, actual a happy somewhere in between, this applies to both Mono and Mono X timings.
I had a second test run taking in Paul suggestions to remove the steps and running irons, all other parameters/orientations remained the same. These changes reduced the body print run to 10 hrs, i.e. a 15 minute reduction, a new test was also done checking the number of slices and unsupported slices. Of the 4136 slices 38 were unsupported (these need further investigation). The chassis test didn't produce any reduction of print timing, of the 3438 slices 8 were unsupported. All very interesting but I will be using a combination of auto supports and then revising these manually especially trying to reduce the number of unsupported slices. Now back to finishing the print bodies and setting out the bodies in Chitu.
Sorting out and deleting multiple versions of the loco body and chassis, I came across a project titled back head I knew I had made a start on one but had little memory of it getting this far. I assume the missing water gauges are because I have a nice pair bought from Gladstone, anyway one little job that just needs finishing off. It's all a bit conjectural as there are no known photos or drawing of the back head of a NER loco of this age, anyway it will barely be seen. A question, there are 2 injectors under the footplate below the cab, should there therefore be 2 injector valves on the footplate?
Class C backhead similar to that used on Class A. Steam supplies to injectors are on the left and right shoulders of the backhead sides. Right side of backhead has the controls for the Westinghouse brake and the left side the steam heating pipe with a Mason's valve. The injectors are below the footplate valences just in front of the cab steps as shown on the right and left side views of 674 and 490. Tom.
Thanks Tom that's really useful I don't need the steam heating gear, this A will be as built. What are the 4 gauges on the cab front plate, I presume the big right one is the air pressure gauge as its attached to the brake gear, another must be the steam pressure gauge (lower left?), but what are the other 2? I also need to modify the hand wheels. I guess the wheel behind the reverse lever is the blower valve control but would like to know what the 2 lower left are. All up I a redraw being necessary. Mossy
The gauge between the whistle 'U' pipes is the boiler steam pressure gauge and is marked up to 200 psi. The two on the right relate to the Westinghouse brake, the larger one being the Duplex pressure gauge. The gauge on the left has a pipe leading from the steam heating pipe and shows the steam temperature. The handwheel behind the reverse leaver is on the the control valve for the right hand injector and the one at the same level on the left side is for the left injector. Being a Class C, the blower valve handwheel is on the left hand side and is partially obscured by the hand brake handle and for the Class A you will need to move this to the right hand side, in line with the hand rail through which the control rod passes. Tom.
Thanks again Tom, since there's no steam heating that's one less for the Class A back head I agree the blower would need moving to the right side. I have decided to scrap the existing back head and start again. Early stages but I've got this far this afternoon
Hi Mossy, The NER firehole doors were round as shown on this end view drawing for a Class W. and here's an alternate view of the Class C cab. Tom.
Ok another fix needed but easy done. Just for interest my original back head was drawn using the white metal casting as supplied for the now Gladiator J21 but previously multiple suppliers. At a guess just a generic back head for multiple kits.
Thanks Tom, most useful. I have a Class W in the to do pile as well as finishing my Class A at some point.
Tom, Since you seem to be able to magic up anything and anything do you have a diagram of a Westinghouse brake. Cheers Mossy
The easy fix to the fire hole turned into another redrawing session which was finished about 30 mins ago, so the back head looks like this now.
The easy fix to the firebox hole turned into another redraught session finished about 30 mins ago. I think the steam pressure gauge is still a bit big so that's next to address.
I like that and as much as I like things made from metal, I think that backheads are the perfect place for 3D printed parts. In the cab out of the way, where they are unlikely to get knocked and damaged. I am not so sure about all the fittings especially the pipework. Personally I have never been able to get painted brass or copper items to look like the real thing but again when hidden away in the cab perhaps I am being to critical of myself. I have already bought a Griffin cast backhead for my F8 but I can see improved items for other kits being designed in the future.
Rob I agree about your unlikely to get damaged comment. As for the pipe work each of the gauges has a small pilot hole drilled into the pipe feeds, I plan using copper wire for the actual pipe runs, as for the gauges well brass should be brass, sadly I can't 3d print brass so they will have to be painted. I also have a Griffin back head kit, but it looks nothing like those in Toms photos. The Griffin whistle pipe work looks really good, but will a real brass part clash with painted brass, so I have also drawn the pipework up to the cab roof and have a pair of brass whistles for the cab roof. As for what can and can't be seen, you have infected me, model it even if most of it can't been seen. This back head as been a chunk of work but I also have a 95% built class B (the Gladiator kit) back dated to it's NER configuration which it can be used in and 2 J21's which will be back dated to Class C. Those may well need the back head modifying a bit but it will be a good starting point.
Rob, if you like, I can send you some PDFs of Nick Dunhill's thread on the Gauge 0 Guild Forum where he built a NER Class W from etchings designed by Mick Davies of Finney 7 together with his own and bought in castings and an element of scratch building. I've edited the thread so that all superfluous comments have been removed leaving only those that relate to the build. Tom.