NCE power cab

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  1. elimatta

    elimatta Full Member

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    Having seen NCE controllers at the Platform1 stand (ahem) last weekend, I think they're right for me.
    One question though: if I buy the basic power cab, how much walk around is available? I have two sides to my layout and want to be able to walk from one side to the other. I need a couple of metres I think.
     
  2. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Bruce

    In the box you will get the PowerCab, a PCP (Power Cab Panel), a 6 ft flat cable, a 3 ft curly cable and power supply.

    The PowerCab has to be connected at all times to the PCP using the 6ft flat cable - The powerCab is a combined Throttle and Command Station, so if you unplug the PowerCab the layout looses its power.

    This is approx 2m and may fulfill your needs.

    If you need a second operator, you can add two further throttles - which can be disconnected and moved around without stopping the layout.

    I use a Cab06 for my second controller.

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    This can be connected to the second socket on the PCP, or you could fit a UTP (Universal Track Panel) to another location on the layout, connected via the rear socket on the PCP.

    Hope this helps - ask if it doesn't

    Paul
     
  3. SRman

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    There are three possibilities here:
    1. Purchase or make a longer 6-wire cable to reach the distance you want, comfortably.
    2. Purchase another cab from NCE to act as a slave, together with a UTP (an extra panel to plug things in to.
    3. Purchase the wireless add-on.

    Of those, I would go with 2 (in fact, I already have!).
    The one thing you cannot do with the Power Cab as master unit is unplug it and walk around to another panel to plug in again. The Power Cab is also the command station, so unplugging it will stop everything.
    On the other hand, using a second "slave" controller allows you to unplug, walk around and plug back in, and any trains under its control will keep doing whatever the last instruction was before unplugging (i.e. continue at a constant speed if moving, or stay still with lights and/or sound - if fitted - still continuing uninterrupted).
    Secondary controllers in the NCE range include a second Power Cab (using the 4-wire coiled cable), a Pro Cab, Cab 04, Cab 05 or Cab 06 (a choice of encoder, push-button, or potentiometer versions of some of those).
    Of course, the cheapest solution is 1. the longer cable, but that could get a little annoying with it trailing all over the place.
     
  4. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Well explained Paul, ......... looks like another NCE convert. :avatar:
    let us know what you decide Bruce.
    Did you have a go on Gary and / or Chris's layout / NCE when you visited ?
    I have both the power cab and power pro version. The power pro is essentially a throttle without the command station which comes separate. This can be unplugged and moved around to as many UTP's as you like to install.
    Once you get used to them, they are quite enjoyable to use.
    cheers
    Toto
     
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    Looks like we all posted almost simultaneously - at least, we were all composing the answers at the same time! :D
     
  6. elimatta

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    Thanks to all three of you. Very speedy service at a great price.
    Yes Toto, I did have a go at Gary's controller. Jack and Gary showed me what to do. Looks like just what I want.
    I'll try the power cab first and see whether the existing cable is long enough. I think it will be from what you've all said. If not, more stuff is available.
     
  7. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    The real bonus of NCE is nothing is obsolete if you need the system to grow.

    Paul
     
  8. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Good stuff Bruce.:thumbs:

    Have fun.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
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    Thanks Ron.
     
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    I found the proprietor of that establishment (a man called Gary) to be extremely rude and abrupt. I will be avoiding contact with him in the future unless absolutely necessary.
     
  12. elimatta

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    OK.. I see that DCC Concepts sells them too. My "local" shop, Hornsby, is out of stock.
     
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    My original Power Cab purchase was from DCC Concepts. I got a tirade of abuse from the aforementioned Gary because I had bought from DCC Concepts (which purchase was made way back in 2005). Gary was not happy because, according to him, Richard Johnson (DCC Concepts) had bypassed him as the Australian agent and bought from the USA.

    As a customer, I don't ask what the local retailer's supply chain is and I don't see how Gary could expect that of anyone. I bought from Richard because he was a BRMA member and advertised in our association's magazine: he was the only one I knew of supplying the NCE system when I had decided that was what I wanted.

    Anyway, sorry for diverting from the original topic. If you can deal with The Model Railroad Craftsman, as your local dealer, then try him and see what you think. Otherwise, DCC Concepts in WA, and Brunel Hobbies and Train World here in Victoria all sell NCE.

    Bear in mind that as the Australian agent, The Model Railroad Craftsman are also the people who do local repairs and warranty if needed. Brunel and Train World get their stocks through MRC.

    On the other hand, I have had very pleasant, helpful and courteous service directly from NCE in America. At one stage my Cab 04P developed a fault with the potentiometer. I asked about what part is required as such things can be bought from local electronics suppliers. What I got from NCE was two replacment potentiometers in the mail with no charge to me at all. That's what I call service.

    So: USA manufacturer score 10 out of 10 (they have been eqally helpful with other supplies and upgrades), 0 out of 10 for the Australian agent, in my books.
     
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    Kimbo Staff Member Moderator

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    DCC concepts is NOT and will NEVER be a NCE approved dealer. Yes he can be the cheapest supplier at times but can offer no back up service, exchange or service repairs under warranty. His after sales customer service is appalling. I have been told twice in the last couple of days that the Australian approved network of dealers will not touch any NCE system or equipment, purchased from Richard Johnson. You have been warned. Buy from an approved dealer, safe in the knowledge that you will have full dealer back up.
    Like SRMan the service I have received from the USA has been excellent, when the exchange rate is in our favour then Jim at http://www.jimsmodeltrains.com has some great deals.
     
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    I agree about Richard's service (or lack thereof), but back in 2005 I didn't know this and he was the only one I could find with NCE equipment. Even so, to cop abuse for that is just not on.

    And what if someone buys second-hand equipment? Why should they be subject to rudeness for that?
     
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    If I buy from the US, that would just mean plugging in the power supply via the usual converter? Or buying a local power supply?
     
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    Kimbo Staff Member Moderator

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    Bruce the last items I had came with the correct power lead for Australia.
     
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    Yes. The US power supply has always been suitable for both their 110V and our 240V systems. The downside of using the adapter is it becomes a little bulky.

    Even so, double check this as the specifications may have been subject to change.

    The US power supplies I have seen also have the overload protection not present in at least some of the Australian equivalents I have seen. Even with that, it is always a good idea to have some sort of overload protection on each track supply as well, regardless of whose system you use.

    If you want the warranty protection in Australia, I would recommend buying from one of the suppliers mentioned already , keeping in mind Kimbo's comments too. Like Kimbo, I have had excellent service direct from NCE and others in the US, and even when I have offered payment NCE have, on several occasions, sent items for free (things like the previously mentioned potentiometers, and also some of the earlier upgrade EEPROMs for the Power Cabs). I did pay for the most recent upgrade chips for version 1.65 on the Power Cabs (I have three of them - insurance for the unlikely event of one failing at exhibitions), but that was a very reasonable cost and also my choice for a non-essential upgrade.

    If all of that sounds worrying, the nearest rival to NCE for equivalent DCC specifications and prices is Digitrax, also very popular here in Australia and, as I understand it, none of their stuff is upgradable by the user; it all has to be sent in for things to be repaired. Upgrades for the NCE Power Cabs and Power Pro systems can usually be done by the user.

    Edit: Sorry. Kimbo posted while I was typing! If the US can supply the Australian plug/power supply, that's even better. :)
     
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    Thanks Kimbo. Given exchange rates at present, there isn't a great deal in it. It's a 50 km drive from my house to the abusive supplier in Blacktown, so I'll have to decide what to do.
    I wonder whether Toyota or Honda dealers in NZ abuse customers who import directly from Japan? The authorised dealers call it grey market, a pejorative term for what is perfectly legal and in accordance with competition policy. Local authorised dealers have a right to refuse warranty service and probably even parts. Abuse isn't illegal, just a reason to avoid future business.
    (I used to teach consumer law, but not competition law which was a separate and mysterious part of the old Trade Practices Act.)
     
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    Thanks SRman. I can see the advantage of buying locally for someone like me who doesn't know the first thing about electronics. I do know about rights for Australian consumers though.
    I've read about the overload protection issue. I like NCE partly because others here have it, and partly because it is so upgradeable and easy to use.
     

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