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Discussion in 'Workshop Benches' started by Mossy, May 19, 2022.

  1. Tom Burnham

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    "What's this pipework taken from the lower photo"

    The only large diameter pipe on that side is likely to be the steam supply to the left hand injector but given the more advanced state of disassembly shown on the lower photo it's possible that the pipe is not in its original position. This is where a Pipe and Rod Arrangement drawing would have come in handy.
    After further consideration and given that it could be attached to a fitting on the side of the Tank this could be a water gauge for indicating the water level?

    "Taken from the the top photo, I assume the item outlined in read is the westie, but can you identify the item attached to the backhead and the pipework attached to the tank side, both circled in green?"

    The item outlined in red is the Drivers Brake Valve and nearby should be the B.V. Isolating Cock and a Release Valve. I can't see a West Highland Terrier anywhere.:avatar:
    Rob has already correctly identified the Gauge Glass, minus its protective glass cover. It's unfortunate that the small diameter pipe had been disconnected so we can't see where it originated from but given its proximity to the Drivers Brake Valve this may be the feed to the Brake Valve Reservoir, possibly located in the box at the rear of the water tank. This is pure speculation and I can't see anything on the General Arrangement to confirm it.

    The GA for the Class O shows a small tank in exactly this position!

    Amended to include further information shown in red.

    Tom.
     
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  2. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    OK I will start calling it a brake valve :facepalm:
     
  3. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Using a grossly zoomed small clip of photo 1 a lot of imagination and a small amount of logic this is about the best I could come up with to represent the reverser bolted to the side of the righthand tank. Historically accurate no, just a representation of what may have been there.

    Screenshot 2023-02-21 084113.jpg
     
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    Handle seems a bit low. Wouldn’t a hand get trapped?
     
  5. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Walking,

    I would agree, but if you look at the lower pic on post 557 it seems to end just below the rear cut out of the tank, also the GA clip post 570, appears to show the same lever again ending just below the cut out.
     
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    Are we talking about the same thing, I mean the handle on the wheel. Not much space between the handle and the tank
     
  7. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Sorry about the misunderstanding Brian, but again if you look at the GA #570, the bottom of the handle is at the same height as the sand box lever top, that's why I positioned there. I assume the two horizontal lines just below it is the seat on top of the tank cut out.
     
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    We got there in the end. Have to say I am in awe of your drawings.
     
  9. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Brian just a lot of fiddling, practice and vast number of cock ups and restarts. As the old adage goes you learn nowt by getting it right. If you real detail have a look ant Andy Sollis's signal boxes.
     
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    I’ve seen his signal box and I’m in awe of that as well.
     
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  11. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Tom,

    The photo of the brake mechanism below is cropped from the Class C back head photo you posted. I assume it's pretty much the same as that which would have been fitted to the Class A. There wouldn't be any diagrams/drawing of it in the archives would there? I was planning to use it to create a cut down 'sort of' brake valve for the back head and a simplified diagram would certainly help.

    I assume the lever marked in red is the actual brake but I am curious what the item in green is.

    Mossy

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  12. paul_l

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    Very impressive guys, both the info and the resulting models

    Paul
     
  13. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Thank you young sir. Tom seems to be able to magic info up just about as needed all I do is try to draw something that looks like it.
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    One of Tom's early suggestions was a two handed regulator, this got knocked up this morning before domestic duties took over.

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    Wow.. er thanks!! Is that because I have no plans to work from?
     
  16. Andy_Sollis

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    I have seen some two handled regulators (mainly on shunter so can be driven from either side of the cab) but they work by way of a V above the valve (after the stops so not to limit.)

    not sure if that is more what you need? I can’t recall a regulator handle where is extends down as that would obstruct the firebox door?
    Andy
     
  17. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Andy, have a look at the photo of a class c #545 or Tom's photo of the crashed Class A #570 (I think), they both show an NER two handed handle).
     
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    Yep, missed that!! Wow!! Yeah!!

    and in post 549!
     
  19. Tom Burnham

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    The Class A backhead will be similar to but not necessarily identical to that of the Class C. All I can offer is this extract from the layout diagram from the NER instruction book. There are plenty of images on Google of the Westinghouse brake valve that would help.

    Westinghouse Brake System_edited-5.jpg

    Yes, the lever marked in red is the brake valve. I'm not sure what the valve indicated in green is but there is no indication on the crash photos of a similar fitting on the Class A.

    Tom.
     
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    The reverser cover does not protrude beyond the back of the tank and is shaped so that it's vertically in line. This results in the four bolts on the bottom of the cover being spaced closer together to compensate. In between the two lines of bolts is an indicator showing the amount of cut off.

    Tom.
     
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