Connoisseur Models LMS Fowler 4F

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  1. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    Ouch! On some of my builds I have used 0.9mm rod and threaded it 14ba so that I could fasten the brakes levers and shoes on with nuts to make them removable later. I will see if I can find any photos.
     
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    You don't need to wait for me - honest, just get thy finger out :avatar:

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  3. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Photos would be good Rob. When I looked at the proximity of the brake shoe to the wheel it instantly became apparent there would be an issue with wheel removal so kind of made me back of the build to look at options.

    I cant see being able to paint the chassis with the wheels on. There must he a work around otherwise its fitting the shoes after painting, not keen on that idea.

    Toto
     
  4. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Just revisited Kimbos Q1 thread and the sequence he adopted in terms of painting the chassis. He had the basic chassis drilled out for his ( unfitted ) plunger pick ups and the brake rodding soldered through the frames. Then paint, then refit wheels and pick ups and leave the brake rigging until the end.

    I think that is the way I will go. Thanks Kimbo. :tophat:
     
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  5. Kimbo

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    Hi Toto,
    When I was happy with the chassis the brakes were the last thing to be soldered on, it’s just a case of scrapping off the paint at the end of the wire hangers and then add a bit of flux and solder to tin them then add the brakes with a quick in and out dab with the soldering iron. Touch up with a brush and your good to go :thumbs:
    Kim
     
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  6. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi Kimbo,

    That's the method that I'm leaning towards. I'll be back in the shed tonight to start trial fitting the motor and gears. I'll look at it in more depth. :thumbs:
     
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    That's the method I usually use, just a bit trickier on 00 gauge as everything's much smaller!:giggle:

    Keith.
     
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  8. Rob Pulham

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    I couldn't readily find one where I have done the rod at the top but I have one where I have threaded the brake spreader at the pull rod end.
    this is on my DJH A3

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    Brakes at last 003 - Copy.JPG
     
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  9. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Excellent work there Rob. I dont think I'll be going to that extent somehow. :avatar: a fantastic build and skill.

    Toto
     
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    Thanks, it was more to illustrate the removable brakes than to show off anything else. Get a few more successful builds under your belt and then think about adding extra details. It all comes with confidence and a desire to up the model to another level.
     
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    You have certainly achieved that. :thumbs:
     
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    Well the replacement solder arrived this morning so I am back in business again.:thumbup:

    Looking forward to following your workshop wiring of motor tonight Toto as that is the bit of the build I find daunting... also it's looking like I shall have to de-solder the brake hangers on mine cos I cannot get the plunger pick ups in on the front and rear axles :facepalm: oh dear what a classic cock up by not thinking as the frames are now under paint. :hammer::headbanger: Well looking on the bright side at least I get to use a few different emoticons other than the usual Mutley. :avatar::giggle:
     
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  13. Toto

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    I'm just getting into it now Yorkie.

    The motor connection will be a temporary direct connection straight to the transformer for now but you will see what I do. I have a few things to take on tonight so we will see what order I do them in. I'm sure that you will recover from your predicament with bells on. :avatar:

    cheers for now

    toto
     
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    York Paul Staff Member Moderator

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    I'm cooking dinner right now so I probably won't get into the workshop until the morning. The reason I soldered up the brake hangers was because I took a slight deviation in construction regarding the sand pipe assemblies.
     
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    Omg Rob, that’s Amazing! :tophat::tophat:
     
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    I'll second that, even the turnbuckles are there - I've definatley got some ways to go

    Paul
     
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    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Well ..... a bit further tonight. started by taking off the wheels again and soldering the brass brake hanging rods in place.


    Then the counterweights were added. They need a bit tidying up.....


    I then tinned the area where the sand boxes were going with full fat solder ready to take the 100 degree stuff.


    Then tinned the rear face of the sand boxes themselves ready to solder to the chassis.


    There are two different sizes , the larger versions going on the sand box spacers fitted earlier.


    and there we have one side done


    and now two .....


    and that is where I am tonight.

    Tomorrow its coupling rods, fitting the gear box and motor, refitting the wheels and giving it a test run on the rolling road. Also a little playing around with the brake shoes to see if any adjustment is required before going any further with regards to priming etc.

    Thats all for now

    toto
     
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    I am not suggesting that you change them, but are the balance weights supposed to hang from the brake cross shaft? I ask because the balance weights are part of the inside motion not the brakes. I would have expected them to hang from a separate much more substantial cross shaft.
     
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  19. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    The balance weights are not connected to the brake cross shaft ( although the picture may look like that ). The instructions tell you to fit a piece of 0.9mm wire to the rear of the assembly and 1.5mm wire to the front which locates in two purpose made brackets. The 0.9mm wire is just soldered between the frames as instructed. it does look confusing. have a look at the instructions on jims site and tell me what your take is on it.

    thanks for bringing it up though as it may help others.

    toto.
     
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  20. Rob Pulham

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    Hi Toto,
    I did have a look at the instructions before I posted the query and was trying to be diplomatic in case it was an error. It certainly looks from the photos that they are attached to the brake cross rods. But what you describe is what the instructions say irrespective of what it looks like in the photos.

    Who says that photos never lie.:scratchchin:
     

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