Highland Railway 7 ton timber wagon - Type L

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  1. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Now this is a cruel close up

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    The lines highlighted are where the pull force from the vacuum are causing a distortion, looks like once the vacuum area is greater than 16mm.
    The inner face shows no distortion. The distortion measures 0.1 mm at the peak, so looks far worse than it measures.
    Just adding the two holes got rid of the distortion entirely.

    Regarging the print angle, there are many theories and from what I can gather boils down to this.

    To print at 45 degrees in one or two directions to avoid the stepping effect the layer height and XY resolution (dependant on screen) should be equal - or divisable

    For my Mono X 4K - the following is taken from the data sheet.
    ● XY Res.: 0.050mm 3840*2400(4K)

    Whoopeeeeeee for me it's simples the XY Res.: 0.050mm and layer height set to 0.05mm thus 1:1 nae problem, however if printing at lower resolutions I should use a layer height of 0.025 and not 0.020 to avoid stepping lines.

    However for my Original Photon

    ● XY DPI : 47um (2560*1440)

    So printing at 45 degrees I should change my layer height to 0.047mm, and 0.0235 for finer detailing

    Looks like I will need to do a couple of test prints, well maybe.

    Paul
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Been intouch with Anycubic, my first Mono X touch screen has become un-responsive. Probably from me getting resin or contaminated IPA from my gloves on to the screen.

    I did check the Anycubic website for replacement parts, but the touch screen is not listed. Also checked chitusystems site, they do have a 3.5" touch screen available but states not suitable for Original Mono X :facepalm:

    I must admit the Anycubic Contact Us link was very quick to respond, asked for further info to identify my printer. Then sent me a link to purchase a new touch screen $42 or approx £37 inc p&p.

    Talking of the chitusystems site - they offer a mono screen conversion for the Original Photon approx £50, and includes the Mono screen, new controller board and mask to fit on the base to accomodate the slightly bigger screen. Boy am I tempted. a 3x print speed increase :scratchchin:.............. maybe soon. :whatever:

    Paul
     
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    That’s useful to know!
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    A wee bit of tweaking and I now have working buffers - now how resilliantthese will be I don't know.


    I made my buffer head and shanks hollow, by adding brass rod as a shaft, printing a rear stop and using a piece of guitar wire as a spring (top E - 0.2mm / 11 gauge)

    The stop was created in Fusion 360

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    The hole for the wire was created at 0.5mm dia, which when printed was a great fit for the 0.2mm steel wire.

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    I use the Big Jim method, very similar except it also incorporates the coupling hook as well.
     
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    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Just sorting my Oakamoor layout out ready for exhibition, found I have a loco missing buffers.. see I’m drawing some up on Thursday! At least they are round and I have 3 others to work off!
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Mossy, I'm using Big Jim's method as well, initially I intended using Peco 3 link couplings for the hook, but have bought some Dingham Auto-couplers from the Gauge O Guild.

    I'm not to sure how well a 3D printed hook would survive in use. Maybe give it a go with ABS like resin.

    Just got to draw the hook - this'll be fun.

    Andy, you'll do the buffers without issue.

    Paul
     
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    I would but been very ill overnight.
     
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    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    There must be something in the water Andy, I was ill Monday night.
    I hope you are feeling better.
     
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    Now my last order of resin was the ABS like resin, to test.

    For printing of large flat bodies, I found it not as good as the Craftsman resin, you can see the layer lines. However, for printing smaller parts that could be handled the results are far more resiliant. For example, my leaf springs and w irons, on the craftsman resin the parts have to be cut from the supports, with the ABS like resin the parts just break away by hand from the supports. Even after curing or been left for a week or two (I was busy and forgot about them).

    As the ultimate test I have printed the coupling hooks with the ABS like resin.

    Print finished , just allowing the resin to drain from the print before cleaning and curing tomorrow.

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Paul,

    Exactly the same conclusions I came up with when printing the parts for my Joys motion. Not as good on large bodies as craftsman but definitely stronger but also more flexible so ideal for small parts or parts which are more vulnerable. I have 3 litres of the stuff so plenty to go at. when I get around to printing the class A, all the chassis, brake and backhead parts will use ABS like, while in the main the body parts will be craftsman.

    The other thought I had was if there was a way of roughing up the regular print lines it would look more wood like especially if trying to portray a badly worn wagon, not that I am about to try it.

    Mossy
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    nuts, and I'll say it again NUTS!

    I got it wrong on the 8 ton Open wagon :facepalm:

    I made my model with the solebars flush with the sides - easy mistake as the drawing doesn't have a cross section and I couldn't find a photograph of the wagon
    Posting on the HRSoc chat group, my worse fears were confirmed and the solebars were inset by 6 inches per side.
    Much cussing later ........

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    Test prints started, then I remembered how cold it's supposed to get tonight, well fingers crossed, if all is ok then another test build, and a shed load of previous version test builds heading for the bin. :headbanger:

    Paul
     
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    Just remember Paul " He who never made a mistake.....never made anything ! "
    Trial and error eventually leads to success....so just keep at it mate and she`ll be right one day...:thumbs:
    :tophat:Gormo
     
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    On the plus side the prints turned out ok

    Now just got to do a test build to make sure all the other parts still fit.

    Paul
     
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    Waiting for paint



    Was going to paint this wagon and the luggagevan, but youtube got in the way, maybe later :whatever:

    Paul
     
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    Well the paint has dried

    Type A 8 ton Open goods wagon


    Type S 8 ton Luggage Van


    Both need Letters & Numbering and then weathering

    Paul
     
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    Oh and weight adding - hence the roof not being stuck down on the van :facepalm:

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Very nice. How much weight is needed for each wagon?

    Mossy
     
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    Hi Mossy

    The Gauge O guild has a rule of thumb of 1g per mm.
    For my 9ft wheelbase wagons, I'm aiming for arround 135g, and will be mainly achieved by using steel nuts - readily available and quite cheap from the likes of Toolstation / Screwfix.

    Paul
     
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    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Cheers mate, I need to think through what to use.
     

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