Tumut

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  1. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Re a DCC system Australian Modeller at seven hills sells NCE and the prices were comparable possibly a little better than some
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    http://www.australianmodeller.com.au/search?q=NCE

    Warning if you go to the shop it could be very expensive there's way to much good stuff in there becomes hard to resist.
    My wife Shelley even Got a XPT set she spent more than me:facepalm:
     
  2. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Reidy

    Just catching up, looks really interesting.

    With the foam remember you can use it vertically too to produce steep rock faces without having to use lots of foam. Be carefull of adhesives as some foams do not react well to solvents.

    For point motors, you could cut a hole in the foam, then cover the hole with a piece of hardboard which the point motor is connected. Although this may prove difficult to replace the pointmotor, especially at an exhibition.

    Paul
     
  3. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    NCE is pretty popular on here. Not to say the other systems are not any good but I have a procab and a power cab and they are pretty easy to use.

    There are a load of electronic gizzmo's that seem to interface well with the NCE products as well. Have a good look about though as one mans treat is another mans poison.

    If you see any other systems that interest you, just throw the name up as it's pretty much guaranteed that someone will have it and will be able to give you their view on it.

    Great start:thumbs:

    Toto

    PS ...... I use Peco code 75 track, smallest turnout is a medium and all flexitrack. Turnouts are electrofrog. :thumbs:
     
  4. Reidy

    Reidy Full Member

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    Thanks for all the helpful tips everyone!

    AnyRail is a great tool. After playing with it for the last 48 hrs, I have a basic plan. All I need is everyone to pick it apart to pick up everything I've missed!

    Unfortunately, I didn't have a good idea of the space required to do Gundagai and Tumut, so its now just Tumut with room for a decent turntable styled sector plate and some nice branchline scenery leading into a reasonably accurate representation of Tumut. I even got the timber mill in!

    Go your hardest, I want to hear it all.

    Reidy

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  5. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Turntable or traverserhave a look at Luib Bridge for a turntable, or Victoria Road for a traverser.

    Luib Bridge

    Victoria Road

    Paul
     
  6. ianvolvo46

    ianvolvo46 Staff Member Moderator

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    Hi Reidy plentyof scope to pl ... run trains on that plan ... lots of work to do then although youve already made good progress

    Ian
     
  7. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    I do like your plan and the way you have positioned it on the baseboard. Very nicely executed. The storage turntable is a great idea, very much the same as Ron uses on Broxburn Sidings (Liverpool Exhibition). Looking forward to the build.

    So, are you still considering DCC ??

    For those in the Northern Hemisphere that knows nothing of the Gundagai/Tumut branch line, here is a link on the history of the line : https://gundagairailwaymuseum.wordpress.com/branch-line-operations-history/

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  8. Reidy

    Reidy Full Member

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    Gary wrote:
    Thanks Gary. Appreciate your comments.

    Yes, I'm really liking the sound of DCC. I'm still getting my head around the circuitry.

    Electrofrog v Insulfrog. Seems like the electrofrogs make the wiring a bit more complicated, but the overall result will be better. Am I right in assuming this?

    Thanks

    Matt
     
  9. Gary

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    Overall the benefits of electrofrog outweigh that of the insulfrogs. I would highly recommend insulfrog points for you will never get locos (especially short wheel base) stalling on points. The wiring is reasonably straight forward.

    Wiring diagrams for electrofrog points if using wire in tube.

    !. Using micro switches to change polarity of frog.

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    2. Using slide switch for frog polarity and direction of point blades (as used on Industry Lane).

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    If you intend using solenoid point motors, Peco offer the Accesory switch for frog polarity switching : http://www.peco-uk.com/product.asp?strParents=3309&CAT_ID=3337&P_ID=17646

    If using Seep solenoids, the PM1 has the contacts in place ready for frog polarity switching.

    Then again, you may want to use Cobalts or Tortoise slow motion motors...

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  10. Reidy

    Reidy Full Member

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    Thanks Gary. Super helpful. Makes it easy to understand. Look slike electroforog is the go.
    I like the DPDT switch method as it seems like a needless expense to have flash electric point motors at this stage. If I go down the foam base board path, it might not be too hard to convert over if I feel the need. I might even try both for a while to see what I like.
    A while back, there was a neighbour with a huge layout in his basement that I used to visit. He had a layout diagram on a board at the operating console with copper studs protruding from each of the points. He had a 'wand' that he touched on the studs to change the points which completed the circuit. Small LEDs indicated the condition of the point. I thought that was pretty cool.
    Reidy
     
  11. Gary

    Gary Wants more time for modelling.... Staff Member Administrator

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    The stud and probe approach is very simple to wire up. Here is a diagram/schematic to explain how it works.

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    Cheers, Gary.
     
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    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Reidy

    DC or DCC electrofrog is the way to go, a bit more work but the improved running is well worth it.

    Paul
     
  13. Reidy

    Reidy Full Member

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    Well, I've had my first plonker moment.

    I put the wrong data into Anyrail. The dimensions of the baseboards were off. And they're never too big when this happens 😩

    Anyway, I had to make a compromise. The turntable has disappeared (hopefully for not too long) and the branch line runs into the terminus where it used to be. That way I can keep the length of the yard as it was.

    There's a bucket load of room at the top right of the photo, so I might have to use that modellers licence a bit more and relocate the turntable up there.

    Here's the Anyrail plan for the main yard on the board. Just like all my cordless tools where the batteries are always *blooming* flat, the printer is out of ink and has given me a Mardi Gras theme 🙄

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  14. Gary

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    If you were to deviate from the plan 'slightly' for forced compression, you could gain a little more space on the baseboard with the use of two 3-way points and a single or double slip.

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    You should get the same train operations from this revised plan. ;)

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  15. ianvolvo46

    ianvolvo46 Staff Member Moderator

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    Hi Reidy your making good progress there thats some trackplan ... great:thumbup::thumbup:

    Ian
     
  16. Reidy

    Reidy Full Member

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    I've put all of the old insulfrogs on Ebay. Hopefully that might offset some of the cost of the new points.

    I've got all this Code 100 flex and a heap of setrack. I'm in two minds about moving to code 75. Obviously 75 will look nicer and closer to the correct dimensions for a NSW branch. It just seems like a waste!

    Gary, interesting use of the slip. What's the difference between the single and double?

    Reidy
     
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    The difference between the single and double slips is the variables in train direction.

    A double slip allows the train to cross through like a diamond crossing and also curve in either direction. See diagram below.

    [​IMG]The single slips allows the train to use it as a diamond and also allows for one dirction of travel through the curve. See diagram below.

    [​IMG]Pictures courtesy of Peco and used as a reference only.

    Cheers, Gary.
     
  18. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Your making good progress Reidy
    To save on the ink I change the layout plan to Gray scale when printing.

    Gary idea is a good one with the slips and 3 ways
    The other option is to reposition some of the sidings to give similar opperation but in slightly different locations Modellers Licence they call it.
    You may even be able to squeeze the Turn table back in.:thumbs:

    Edit add a marked up plan with TT and engine shed moved to next board use a tree line or a cutting as a view block to the TT from the small loop after the sector plate.

    Attached files [​IMG]
     
  19. jakesdad13

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    You can get an adapter to connect code 75 track to code 100, I,d keep the old stuff to use in fiddle yards etc where appearance isn,t so important, nice plan by the way :thumbup:.

    Cheers, Pete.
     
  20. Reidy

    Reidy Full Member

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    I was lucky enough to win first prize in the AMRA raffle held at the Liverpool exhibition. One of the committee members showed me around their clubhouse today - wow! Their DCC layout is next level. They have a signal room with two operators that receive phone calls from the layout outside with requests to enter the mainline! They track the trains progress on video feeds. Amazing.

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    An Austrians 41 Class. The one legged chook is getting a run for its money in this raffle :facepalm: Sixth prize was Trainorama 48 which would have slotted right in to my layout 😫

    For those of you who don't know, this was probably one of NSWGR worst acquisitions. Hideously unreliable and they barely left Sydney! (Built in 🇬🇧 haha)

    Anyway, this will be getting moved on fairly promptly. Trains don't run without track and this is where the funds need to go.
     

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