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  1. paul_l

    paul_l Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Mossy
    Zoro Tools Bakers No3 250ml
    250ml £9.99, 125ml £7.49 delivery for the 250ml is £5, Amazon sells the 250ml for £24 free delivery

    You could draw and etch your own ..........

    Paul
     
  2. Tom Burnham

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    Rob had no difficulty in soldering the steel coupling rods in his build of the Slaters F8 on Western Thunder site and there is no mention of special fluxes. See entry #17 here -

    Rising Star/Slaters LNER F8

    Tom.
     
  3. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Thanks Tom,

    I just wanted confirmation the blower was left as brass as I suspected.

    Both your photos of 674 and 74 look to me to be in WWW livery not TWW, which could well explain the minor variations. Also coal rails and plated coal rails suggest later photos. The displacement valve on 674 looks very like the ones I found, which came from the Ragstone kit of a class K which doesn't specify what make it is but again would suggest a later replacement.

    Since I am going with one of the first 10, I am going with no steam heating (one less thing to buy), but what you gain, you lose so I need to buy some Roscoe valves and as drawn no coal rails. The fun given my totally lacking artistic skills is TWW livery rather than WWW, that is definitely something I am not looking forward to and might apply a Nelsonic eye to.
     
  4. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Paul

    Enough on my plate without getting into drawings and etches, hand in pocket and buy a pair of slaters is a far better proposition even if my hands don't reach the bottom of my pockets.
     
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  5. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    After faffing about working out what needs to be bought for the loco I finished off the changes as suggested by Tom.

    revamped smokebox saddle:

    Rebuilt  Smokebox.jpg

    revamped smokebox door:

    Revised Smokebox Door.jpg

    What's next Tom?
     
  6. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    Hi Tom,
    I did manage to solder it, but it wasn't easy and since being advised to use Bakers Fluid when soldering steel I have found it much improved, hence my suggestion.
     
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  7. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    how odd?? The coupling on the end of that hose you can see is the type used for air braked rolling stock? I’ve never seen on this early on a loco?
    Vacuum pipes have a twist and two loops opposite to lock together (so you can place a pin through) and steam heat pipes have a latch on them to lock together..

    Something is awry…?? Or was the air brake fitting used much earlier and then reintroduced?
    Andy
     
  8. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    How would you fancy doing a North Stafford Engine after of a similar period? :avatar:
    I’m sure there are at least 3 or more who would be interested!
     
  9. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Happily making models Staff Member Administrator Feature Contributor

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    Hi Andy,

    Yes, Westinghouse was air braking. The Grouping companies standardised on vacuum braking to avoid the license/royalty fees charged by Westinghouse. A few of the companies stock remained dual braked for a fair number of years due to the amount of legacy stock that was already Westinghouse fitted when they came into being in 1923.
     
  10. Andy_Sollis

    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    Good grief, I must brush up on my history. Tend to only think air brake was with a diesel onwards from the 1950’s. I never realised that the make referred to the type of brake, I thought it was all vac and just different manufacturers. Well that’s a school day for me, but at least I was correct with the photo!
    Cheers for putting me straight Rob!

    Andy
     
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    That’s said… the IOW steam stock is mostly if not all Air braked :facepalm: and I Knew that!! Doh!
     
  12. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Hi Andy,

    As a relative novice that's one hell of a compliment so thank you, but I think yourself, Paul or Rob would be far better placed to take on something like that not me, after all. all I have done so far is draw things, will it go together, will it actually work all that's in the lap of the gods and my ham-fisted assembly skills.

    Rob,

    If I remember correctly at grouping over 90% of the NER wagon stock 60K plus wagons was either Westinghouse or unbraked. Typical of tight-fisted Northerner's, Yorkies, Woollybacks, Townies and those odd people North of the Tees, if it works don't change it especially is it costs money.
     
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  13. Andy_Sollis

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    Wouldn’t ask if I didn’t have confidence in what I’ve seen you do so far.. good work. I’m enjoying following the loco build.. the drawings can be tweaked once done as to how it fits etc.. sure Dundee can help a little more there!!
     
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    not too different
     
  15. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    Get thee behind me Satan. :avatar: Nice looking loco though, a coal shifter I guess.
     
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    Andy_Sollis Staff Member Moderator

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    The rebuilt New L class were later found in Manchester collieries with one surviving in the national collection and now at Foxfield. This (I’m told elsewhere by @yorkie) is an original L class which may well have also worked passengers..
     
  17. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    After some advice from Rob, I started playing around with the chassis this morning specifically drawing up a radial truck for the bogie and pony wheels. I'm not sure is this is exactly what he was talking about but it's a first shot at something I have never done before.

    The radial truck

    Radial  Carriage.jpg

    The guide passage through the side frames

    Radial Tube.jpg
     
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  18. Rob Pulham

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    This is more what I had in mind. The inner slides in the outer.

    You would need a bearing for the axle in either end of the inner section. - not that it matters for the example but this is at 13'10" radius

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  19. Mossy

    Mossy A classic grump Yorkshire man Full Member

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    That's pretty much what I have draw Rob, the top photo is your gold inner tube, the lower is your out grey body but viewed from the opposite sense (my error). The small holes in the ends would need to be the o/d of a slaters bearing or of K/S 3/16" tube. I know you suggested spraying the inner with silicon, but would you also add in a say .2mm gap between the two? The thickness of all the walls looks a bit clunky but easily paired down to something more acceptable.
     
  20. Rob Pulham

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    Yes, mine has a 0.25mm gap between the two pieces
     
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